wolves...

It was just North of there on the Patit where I got to see a HUGE Black wolf. Though it was a bear cub at first then realized what it was.
I've come across some fresh carcasses in winter, just keep moveing along.
He was napping right on the edge of the tree line. I got within 30 feet of him, and thought it was a black bear at first since all I could see in the grass was his back.

He just turned and looked and probably sighed that we had interrupted his "nap" and then ambled off. He wasn't too worried about me. My dog was ready to abandon me at that point. Interesting that she didn't growl or do anything to piss him off.
 
Since we shifted from Oregon to Washington on this thread...
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The Teanaway is a new pack as the old pack was gone after the last lone wolf (WA106M) left the area and was actually seen south of I-90 back in 2023. Surveys in 2024 found a new pack in Teanaway and Naneum. Now that there are 2 "healthy" packs in that area it will be interesting to see if any mating pairs cross I-90 and establish packs in the South Cascades. I would argue that the South Cascades might be better suited than the Olympics, but I guess we'll see.
Source of the map- https://wdfw.wa.gov/species-habitats/at-risk/species-recovery/gray-wolf/packs

I have seen cougars, bears and all hooved animals in the wild, but never a wolf. I would love to see one someday. At a distance. 😁
I always knew @Salmo_g was a lone wolf.
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This showed up in my feed on youtube. I only saw the first few minutes, but it's shot really well from what I saw. I think up in the Kettle River area.
 
A lot of whining about not getting the government to subsidize their business the way they want. Take out all the fences and reestablish the bison and antelope herds. We can all go get our protein without the middleman.
We raised cattle on our own land, providing feed and protection ourselves here in southwest Washington. No grazing on public land. Cattle ranching as these guys are practicing it displaces elk, deer, bison, and pronghorn, not to mention all the small animals the ranchers are at war with. When they cite wolves as the reason the deer herds are down, it makes me laugh.
 
The decision to NOT MAKE A DECISION is a DECISON.

The only reason for "Washington getting into the business of putting wolves places is a terrible call" is that it provides a mechanism for politicians to cover their ass.

Just do the right thing.

In twenty years I will be dead. I would like to see the Olympic ecosystem restored before I die. Yeah, I am selfish.
I'm selfish too. I live and work in the OP. I don't care to share my habitat with wolves. They were native to Seattle as well. I think any and all reintroduction should start with people that want them reintroduced where they live. Studies show wolves have had a giant impact on the homeless/drug addicted population of Alberta. They have become more fit and resilient and do not graze and get high where wolves hunt them. This has lead to higher quality habitat and restored ecosystems where they have formerly over populated. Less folding up like lawn chairs and sleeping on sidewalks. I believe the same positive effects could be had in Seattle if we were only to do what is right and reintroduce wolves to the area. The people there are receptive and positive towards wolves. It only makes sense to give them what they want and do righteously deserve.
 
A lot of whining about not getting the government to subsidize their business the way they want. Take out all the fences and reestablish the bison and antelope herds. We can all go get our protein without the middleman.
We raised cattle on our own land, providing feed and protection ourselves here in southwest Washington. No grazing on public land. Cattle ranching as these guys are practicing it displaces elk, deer, bison, and pronghorn, not to mention all the small animals the ranchers are at war with. When they cite wolves as the reason the deer herds are down, it makes me laugh.
Definitely some whining and I've never been a fan of private ranchers grazing for cheap on federal and/or state lands. That's a whole other issue. And ungulate management is a whole deal too.

However, their point about the WDFW not managing is completely valid. As anglers, we have the same frustrations as them.
The typical if A, B & C parameters are met, then we have a season. Well, we now know that A, B & C can be met and we still don't get a season because...apparently, there's no money. Or they thought there was no money so they didn't even ask.

The film also points out how it only takes one activist group, like Washington Wildlife First, to tie up WDFW resources in court that gives them the convenient excuse to not manage. "Our hands are tied" type of thing. Litigation is a powerful tool. For good and bad. As anglers, we know all about this one too. I won't go there.

There are definitely issues with private land owners and the whole grazing thing, but as fishermen...that poke fish in the face for fun...I would argue that the ranchers are a closer ally to us than the extreme environmental groups. Most of us are in favor of using science to manage fish & game and to implement reasonable limitations. The trouble comes when those agreements and policies are established, but are not followed or enforced.

I think those ranchers are showing great restraint. Probably better than the fishing and hunting crowd. The cattle ranchers I know are in south central Washington and don't have to worry about wolves...yet.

I love wolves, but also think the ranchers are a vital part of our history, culture, economy and potential partners for water protection. There are plenty of ranches that protect headwaters just as well or better than the state, county or city. I hope things get worked out, but with the current WDFW dysfunction it could be a while. Not sure the ranchers (or us) will have the patience to wait for improvement.
 
Well, there is obviously a lot of conflicting opinions on reintroducing wolves to the OP. So, how about a compromise? Let's introduce golden retrievers instead. Everybody likes goldens!

Or, corgies. Imagine packs of goldens and corgies running through the meadows of the Olympics.
 
More high bias news. No thanks. I listen to NPR just to hear the propaganda. I've listened for decades. I remember when it was actual news and quality programming. Not so much these days. The fact a dime of my money funds it is a crime. I used to freely donate as I appreciated the programming. Now not so much. I credit the shift at NPR as pivotal in my radicalisation and skeptical attitude towards media. Thanks NPR.

Send me your address and I'll post you my deep collection of NPR coffee mugs. Then you too can sip your java and look quizzically at people while being silent as they screech their stupid opinions knowing full well your a sustaining member and simply better than them. I don't need them anymore unless I'm masquerading amongst the local free Palestine or just stop oil meet ups for zoo quality people watching.
 
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When I worked for the Forest Service and got interviewed by NPR their reporters made sure I understood how much disdain they had for the Forest Service.

Before, during, and after the interview.

Kids on sugar, without a clue.
 
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Well, there is obviously a lot of conflicting opinions on reintroducing wolves to the OP. So, how about a compromise? Let's introduce golden retrievers instead. Everybody likes goldens!

Or, corgies. Imagine packs of goldens and corgies running through the meadows of the Olympics.
Dachshunds....plenty of Marmots for them to dig out their dens. Plus any Badgers that may try and colonize up there.

And Poodles, lots of Toy Poodles..
 
When I worked for the Forest Service and got interviewed by NPR their reporters made sure I understood how much disdain they had for the Forest Service.

Before, during, and after the interview.

Kids on sugar, without a clue.
Sounds about right. Fair and unbiased by the standards of the Subaru set with highly decorated bumpers displaying their every superior political passing thought. Oh yeah, coexist, and free Palestine and stuff. Just in case anybody is wondering i support the current thing and have a Facebook profile banner and bumper sticker to prove it. I'm that committed to the cause.
 
The part that REALLY bothered me is that most of the interviews had to do with fires and evacuations. Is there some point where you just provide information to the public without injecting your personal views??

Back in the 1980's when the big satellite dishes just started to be used by rural folks with TV reception. PBS was the FIRST to scramble their signal, even though at that time the Feds were funding them to provide service to rural residents.
 
In the mid-1980s, the booming backyard satellite dish (TVRO) market faced a major shift as, contrary to popular belief, premium services like HBO—not PBS—led the charge in scrambling, beginning in January 1986.
 
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