Haha, I was going to say that would be my fishing in 10 years.
Will we be Fishing For Salmon in Ten Years?
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Flymph
Life of the Party
Total bullshit! If you can't see the big picture and the real cause of the Salmon's demise you are hiding in a deep cave! Try a simple Blackle search at why Salmon are disappearing, "World Wide"! You won't find a single mention of blame shifting thrown at the Fish and Wildlife departments or Tribal interests.
Throwing blame at WDFW and the tribes while ignoring the larger reality is a waste of print and breath.
My opinion….Globally, Pinks, chums, and sockeye should continue to be abundant. There’s a reason we can buy wild sockeye for $10/lb. Inland Chinook and steelhead probably not more than current levels. (Hatchery) Coho seem to be hanging around. If the process for setting fishing seasons doesn’t change, my guess is we will still get to fish locally for salmon 10 years from now.
Rob Allen
Life of the Party
So government agencies responsible for fish and wildlife get no blame when they utterly fail at their job???
Pacific salmon are in decline primarily because of poor ocean survival.
All that said my main point is that the reason salmon fishing will close has absolutely nothing to do with fish stock abundance but by a shift in politics that regardless what they say does not reflect the will of the people. Well no good people anyway..
I wish I had a job where I got rewarded for doing a horrible job. Yes WDFW has been doing a horrible job for the last 50 years inspite of having some tremendous biologists on staff.
Fishing, hunting,foraging and farming need to be made overtly constitutional right immediately just to acknowledge the natural truth of the matter.
Rob Allen
Life of the Party
Commercial fishermen and the government agencies who refuse to control their behavior. For starters.
WA collectively raises and releases 100 million salmon smolt each year.
Conversely, CA hatcheries raise 20-24 million salmon smolt yearly, and yet 2023 returns to the Mokelumne River alone was 20,000 King's, the Sacramento 28,000, the Klamath 22,000...so based on smolt release ratio's alone WA should see much abundant returns, right?
Unless factoring migration patterns.
Per the attached chart, the WA and Puget Sound salmon appear to follow a short, tight feeding loop before returning home. So this makes them much more susceptible to variances in bait school density as increasingly warm water currents disperse those schools, vs. those salmon following a much longer and wider feeding loop that provides them with a much greater chance of finding those critical bait schools?
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Conversely, CA hatcheries raise 20-24 million salmon smolt yearly, and yet 2023 returns to the Mokelumne River alone was 20,000 King's, the Sacramento 28,000, the Klamath 22,000...so based on smolt release ratio's alone WA should see much abundant returns, right?
Unless factoring migration patterns.
Per the attached chart, the WA and Puget Sound salmon appear to follow a short, tight feeding loop before returning home. So this makes them much more susceptible to variances in bait school density as increasingly warm water currents disperse those schools, vs. those salmon following a much longer and wider feeding loop that provides them with a much greater chance of finding those critical bait schools?
Ocean’s Influence on Salmon Plays Out in Varied Returns to Different Rivers and Regions
Upcoming research expedition seeks to chart impact on different rivers and species.
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Rob Allen
Life of the Party
Chinook spend up to 5 seasons off Alaska in the middle of all kinds of commercial fishing
For Chinook ocean conditions means NETS.
There is a reason Washington state chinook are Almost all cookie cutter 12-15 lbers. Fish that survive spend less time in the gulf of Alaska it's that simple.
For Chinook ocean conditions means NETS.
There is a reason Washington state chinook are Almost all cookie cutter 12-15 lbers. Fish that survive spend less time in the gulf of Alaska it's that simple.
Paige
Wishing I was fishing the Sauk
Actually Chinook can spend up to 7 yrs in the ocean, making the mixed stock ocean harvest the number 1 reason for smaller Chinook sizes. Not to mention the food base is all screwed up from the over production of pink and chum salmon in AK, Russia and Japan!
How true. I need your address so I can practice the traditions of my Genghis Khan ancestor.
Might is right.
You know Rob is immune to science. That's his superpower.WA collectively raises and releases 100 million salmon smolt each year.
Conversely, CA hatcheries raise 20-24 million salmon smolt yearly, and yet 2023 King returns to the Mokelumne River alone was 20,000 King's, the Sacramento 28,000, the Klamath 22,000...so based on smolt release ratio's alone WA should see much abundant returns, right?
Unless factoring migration patterns.
Per the attached chart, the WA and Puget Sound salmon appear to follow a short, tight feeding loop before returning home. So this makes them much more susceptible to variances in bait school density as increasingly warm water currents disperse those schools, vs. those salmon following a much longer and wider feeding loop that provides them with a much greater chance of finding those critical bait schools?
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Ocean’s Influence on Salmon Plays Out in Varied Returns to Different Rivers and Regions
Upcoming research expedition seeks to chart impact on different rivers and species.
Not expecting much (if any) opportunity in terms steelhead and kings (outside of people fighting over what we have left just like we are experiencing now). But I do think that coho will still be here in decent numbers and pinks are appearing to be the climate change winner.
It really depends if we can somehow change course on the climate trajectory we have been heading towards. If we get a few cool summers, we will be in better shape. But if we experience drought conditions every year, I honestly fear for the worst.
Never underestimate nature though. Salmon are probably the most resilient creatures I’ve witnessed.
It really depends if we can somehow change course on the climate trajectory we have been heading towards. If we get a few cool summers, we will be in better shape. But if we experience drought conditions every year, I honestly fear for the worst.
Never underestimate nature though. Salmon are probably the most resilient creatures I’ve witnessed.
mtskibum16
Life of the Party
Need to introduce stripers in PS and smallies in the streams and rivers. Climate resistant fisheries for the next generation. (I'm kidding of course)
It's a fair question. In my 16 years fishing PS, we have lost opportunity and I perceive a reduction in numbers and size of coho. That said, I don't believe we will be at zero opportunity in 10 years. But 20? 30? Hard to say. The trajectory is not in our favor.