What the heck did I catch?

Yeah Chinook somehow got into Rocky Ford back then...I got one in the sane time-frame.
 
I'm also saying chinook jack or landlocked chinook, especially if it had spots on the pecs. In fact, I would go so far as saying it's a female landlocked nookie hence the female looking head.

This is what a more typical Columbia basin jack nook looks like. I caught this one on the Deschutes, just downriver from Maupin.
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Evan B said:
The only part of this fish that resembles a chinook jack to me is the spotting (though chinook spotting tends to be more peppered-looking), which SOME kokanee can have. The head shape and mouth just don't look at all right to me. The body shape isn't right either from my experience.
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Agree it's unlikely to be a jack. Just that the size and coloration reminded me of a few small chinook I caught many, many years ago on the Sandy. I recall those being a bit deeper bodied. Always in late spring and early summer, so just assumed they were waaay early return springers - but just a guess.

Would be interesting to know the actual life history on this fish.
 
SilverFly said:
Agree it's unlikely to be a jack. Just that the size and coloration reminded me of a few small chinook I caught many, many years ago on the Sandy. I recall those being a bit deeper bodied. Always in late spring and early summer, so just assumed they were waaay early return springers - but just a guess.

Would be interesting to know the actual life history on this fish.
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Yeah I think an actual ocean-run jack is unlikely as it lacks a few traits like you mention. Plus, it wouldn't be in that bright of a coloration right now if it were. A landlocked chinook (or, not technically LOCKED, but living its life in fresh water) is seeming more and more the likely culprit.
 
SilverFly said:
Agree it's unlikely to be a jack. Just that the size and coloration reminded me of a few small chinook I caught many, many years ago on the Sandy. I recall those being a bit deeper bodied. Always in late spring and early summer, so just assumed they were waaay early return springers - but just a guess.

Would be interesting to know the actual life history on this fish.
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Another thing: Jacks are male. The one in Billy's photo is very likely a female.
 
skyriver said:
Man, Google went hard on this one. Haha!
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Did my own AI investigation here of that Deschutes fish. Played hard ball with it.

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Google is wrong on the Deschutes fish. "Sea trout" gives away that it's improvising, since there's no sea-run brown trout population in the Deschutes. Its own evidence doesn't hold up either. It claims the spots stop before the tail, but when I zoom in on that photo they run straight down the wrist toward the tail. Nothing on that fish says brown to me: no red spots, no halos, and the flank has a pinkish cast with small spots all over it. I can't independently confirm jack from a fish thrashing on the surface, because the thing that settles it is the mouth, and you can't see it. Your buddy had it in hand, though: black gums along the lower jaw means chinook, and that's the end of it.


On the Nunya Lake fish, chinook actually fits better than my kokanee call. That's not me caving, it's the sources. Ecology documented Chinook salmon spawning in the creek system below Nunya Lake, and the lake drains through a culvert about half a mile into that creek. I found zero evidence of kokanee anywhere in that system. Physically, a young chinook matches everything we picked over: chrome, forked tail, peppered back, long-based anal fin, and a big terminal mouth. All of that fits kokanee too, which is why I couldn't split them from looks alone. The tiebreakers are that chinook have black gums and spots on both lobes of the tail, while kokanee have pale gums and a mostly clean tail. Early on I saw specks on the tail rays and then wrote them off as net mesh. If those are real, it's a chinook.


Two nitpicks on the forum take. A 10-inch fish in a lake isn't a jack: jacks are males coming back from the ocean a year early, usually well over a foot. And it's not landlocked, since Nunya Lake is connected to a creek that runs to the Columbia. More likely it's a juvenile from spawners in the creek below, rearing or hanging around in the lake. You also can't sex a 10-inch juvenile by its head, and jacks are male by definition anyway.


So my call is a young chinook, with kokanee second. If your buddy remembers black inside the mouth along the lower jaw, that settles it.
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