Washington States Budget Slashes Result In Campground Closures / Reductions

[JayB]

No it could not.
The story is about the City of Seattle/ King County, not the state.
Unless you are paying King County/ seattle taxes, this has little effect on you.

I feel bad for King Co. taxpayers. They already pay a massively disproportionate share to the state. They don't need this too.

FWIW - here's ChatGPT's summary on what the redistributed revenue from KC pays for:

"King County is a major net contributor to Washington’s state operating budget. In FY 2024 it generated about 38% of the state tax revenue measured in the OFM report and received about 23% of allocated operating expenditures, or about 60 cents back per dollar under OFM’s average method. The redistribution primarily funds public schools, Medicaid/health care, DSHS/DCYF human services, higher education, corrections, and general state services across the rest of Washington."

 

[Mossback]

Klickitat County, one of those counties that can't pay its way. With the lowest sales tax rate (7.6%) in the state, they get $1.20 back for every dollar they generate,.


Perhaps if they tried to get by without money from other counties....

 

[goinoregon]

I like forensic audits. The age of the auditors is nigh.

every state/local gov, should be working with the same business system. these folks all have different systems, and nobody knows how they work - with turnover, etc. local control does not provide the oversight folks think it does.

 

[Rob Allen]

FWIW - here's ChatGPT's summary on what the redistributed revenue from KC pays for:

"King County is a major net contributor to Washington’s state operating budget. In FY 2024 it generated about 38% of the state tax revenue measured in the OFM report and received about 23% of allocated operating expenditures, or about 60 cents back per dollar under OFM’s average method. The redistribution primarily funds public schools, Medicaid/health care, DSHS/DCYF human services, higher education, corrections, and general state services across the rest of Washington."

That is because of changes made to our economy by people who represent the majority view of King county. Rural counties with small populations were major contributors to the state economy until their highly profitable industries were taken away from them.
Not arguing that it was a good or bad thing only that it happened and is the result of how people voted.

 

[Rob Allen]

No sure what county you live in, but it’s always worth looking at what your county puts in and receives back. There are certainly donor and subsidized recipient counties in our state. The last time I looked King County didn’t vote for the McCleary decision.
Maybe start the process of creating an initiative where your county can vote to reject any state funding that comes from King County.
SF

LoL.. right.. we can't even count on our vote for Sheriff meaning anything.
The county is live in had its major industry taken away from them by the stroke of pen. As far as I can tell those counties that voted for the people who killed the logging industry owe them.
And that is as far as I will take that debate.

 

[Mossback]

"Based on Washington State historical fiscal data, Klickitat County has consistently been a "net recipient" county—receiving more in state expenditures than it generates in state tax revenue—for most, if not all, of the period since the 1980s."

 

[Stonedfish]

LoL.. right.. we can't even count on our vote for Sheriff meaning anything.
The county is live in had its major industry taken away from them by the stroke of pen. As far as I can tell those counties that voted for the people who killed the logging industry owe them.
And that is as far as I will take that debate.

So was the stroke of the pen act that reduced logging in your county done on a federal or state level?
SF

 

[Rob Allen]

So was the stroke of the pen act that reduced logging in your county done on a federal or state level?
SF

Same voters. Again not saying good or bad only that it happened and they result was the financial devastation of rural Washington and thereby the tax base that came from rural Washington. Especially for schools.

 

[Salmo_g]

Had a few reports on this thread. Make your points without the insults please. Or consider use of ignore feature.

Billy, I've about had it with you! I just don't fvckin' get that some members are motivated to make reports about threads. What do we have here? Grown adults so thin skinned and sensitive that they have to go running to a moderator to report a post that they disagree with or it offends them? Good grief people, get a grip on your life! No body is holding a gun to your head making you read mean posts. And BTW Billy, if you don't agree with me, you must be an idiot!

 

[Peyton00]

That was not the educational post we usually get from salmo_g.

 

[Billy]

Billy, I've about had it with you! I just don't fvckin' get that some members are motivated to make reports about threads. What do we have here? Grown adults so thin skinned and sensitive that they have to go running to a moderator to report a post that they disagree with or it offends them? Good grief people, get a grip on your life! No body is holding a gun to your head making you read mean posts. And BTW Billy, if you don't agree with me, you must be an idiot!

The vast majority of people want drama free, fishing related theads which alligns with our vision of the website.

We value reports and respond to them as needed, but not all. The last thing Josh, Evan and I want to deal with is wasting our time cleaning up crap. Our rules are basic, posted and should be pretty simple to follow.

We understand we may not be the place for all. But it is our vision for the site.

 

[Zak]

Billy, I've about had it with you! I just don't fvckin' get that some members are motivated to make reports about threads. What do we have here? Grown adults so thin skinned and sensitive that they have to go running to a moderator to report a post that they disagree with or it offends them? Good grief people, get a grip on your life! No body is holding a gun to your head making you read mean posts. And BTW Billy, if you don't agree with me, you must be an idiot!

Reported.

 

[Mossback]

Reported

Reported for Reporting

 

[albula]

Billy, I've about had it with you! I just don't fvckin' get that some members are motivated to make reports about threads. What do we have here? Grown adults so thin skinned and sensitive that they have to go running to a moderator to report a post that they disagree with or it offends them? Good grief people, get a grip on your life! No body is holding a gun to your head making you read mean posts. And BTW Billy, if you don't agree with me, you must be an idiot!

Careful or you'll have to sit in the corner while everyone else goes outside for recess.

 

[flybill]

Reported for Reporting

Reported for reported reportering!

 

[Zak]

Reported for Reporting

"We apologize for the fault in the subtitles, those responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked, have been sacked"

 

[Mossback]

If you or a loved one has suffered a serious injury due to reading a post you didn't agree with, you may be entitled to compensation for medical bills, lost wages, pain and suffering, and loss of companionship.

 

[goinoregon]

The vast majority of people want drama free, fishing related theads which alligns with our vision of the website.

We value reports and respond to them as needed, but not all. The last thing Josh, Evan and I want to deal with is wasting our time cleaning up crap. Our rules are basic, posted and should be pretty simple to follow.

We understand we may not be the place for all. But it is our vision for the site.

fyi, no problem with salmo.

 

[RCF]

Moderators shall use moderation when they moderate a moderately sensitive post.

The same applies to posters. It is called self-moderation.

 

[509]

FWIW - here's ChatGPT's summary on what the redistributed revenue from KC pays for:

"King County is a major net contributor to Washington’s state operating budget. In FY 2024 it generated about 38% of the state tax revenue measured in the OFM report and received about 23% of allocated operating expenditures, or about 60 cents back per dollar under OFM’s average method. The redistribution primarily funds public schools, Medicaid/health care, DSHS/DCYF human services, higher education, corrections, and general state services across the rest of Washington."

I prepared economic reports for the Forest Service from 1980 through 2003 every year.

Part of it was to compare Forest Service counties with adjacent counties. King County is pretty incredible for generating state tax revenue. Really somebody in state government needs to look at WHY.

Granted that King County is the economic center for Washington state, but since the 1980's Washington state government has been exempting corporations from state taxes to where today the large majority of taxes comes from small business and consumers through the sales tax.

The statistics on Washington's state operating budget EXCLUDES the WADOT. They spend a ton of money and the counties that get screwed on that deal are the far eastern counties that border Idaho. There was ONE report prepared well over a decade ago that was interesting reading.

I did call WADOT a couple of months ago and asked to be sent their county revenues and expenditures, but they said they don't have it broken out by that. I then asked for it by their regional offices and was again told they don't have it by that. Gas tax dollars flow from east to west, state operating dollars flow west to east. BUT nobody, wants to talk about the cost and revenues for the ferry system!!!

A few years ago, I did download the OFM spreadsheets and found out some interesting things.

For example, Health and Human Services spends MORE money in OLYMPIA helping residents of Adams County than the residents of Adams County receive in aid from the state!

The state gives MORE school aid to rich school districts per pupil than poor school districts. That one I chalked up to an error, until a newspaper article showed that it was actually state policy.

It is too bad that journalists have no science or economics background. There really is no investigative reporting, because the journalists are illiterate in science and economics. The recently deceased economics reporter for the Seattle Times, had a degree in Theater Management!!!

The Office of Financial Management create lots of reports at the request of Legislators. In the past, there has been some great publications including the one on state revenue from large corporations.

If your interested in particular economic issues, it might be worthwhile to ask your Legislator to ask OFM to do a report.