NFR Ukraine...Little Did I Know

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Mingo said:
One thing that has been really disappointing is seeing all the FB posts by people condoning Putin's barbarism because he claimed "Ukraine is a nazi country." And they bought his bullshit hook, line and sinker. Even if that were true, which it isn't, the fact that a significant number of people think it's perfectly okay to invade a country and kill their civilians and pummel their cities because PUTIN says it's "a nazi country" is truly terrifying. The stupidity of so many is staggering to me.

But it's always best to keep the eyes wide open and address the realities of Ukraine, the USA and any other country. No country is "all good" or "all bad." All nations have a dark side. Even Denmark.

Are there neo Nazis in Ukraine? Yep. Is Ukraine a nazi nation? Nope.

Don't take my word for it. Jewishunpacked.com, an Israeli site that monitors such things, reports that the main neo-Nazi group in Ukraine is the Azov movement, a group that grew out of the Azov Regiment in the war chaos of 2014. Jewishunpacked estimates Azov has around 10,000 members in a country of 40 million people (it used be more two weeks ago, but 3 million refugees have fled to escape death at Putin's hands). Azov is primarily characterized by aggressive Russophobia. Not surprising, given the long sad history of Ukrainian persecution at the hands of various Russian Czars and brutal dictators. They have no power in the government at all.

Jonathan Dekel-Chen, a history professor at Jerusalem's Hebrew University, said "In terms of the sort of constituent parts of Nazism, none of that is in play in Ukraine. Territorial ambitions, State sponsored terrorism, rampant anti semitism, bigotry, a dictatorship...none of those are in play. So this is just total fiction."

By way of comparison, the Southern Poverty Law Center estimates the KKK in the USA has up to 8,000 members, and there are many other neo Nazi and white nationalist groups in the USA. So the numbers of neo Nazis in Ukraine and the USA are fairly comparable. There may actually be way more in the USA, split among different groups. One difference is that the Azov battalion are actually deployed in combat right now, fighting for their country, instead of marching down a street in some American city acting like pathetic jackasses to anyone they deem as being "below" themselves.

This in NO WAY means I condone any actions of Azov or any other Neo Nazi group! I just find it rather odd that so many Americans support Putin, who just killed ten Ukrainian civilians who were in line to buy bread, because there are some neo Nazis in Ukraine. Does this mean, using their own logic, it is perfectly okay for Putin to invade the USA and kill our civilians any way he wants, since we have as many neo Nazis here?

So yeah. There are some neo Nazis in Ukraine, just like here. But Ukraine and the USA are not Nazi countries and anyone who says so is a liar.

The irony is that there is one person behaving like a Nazi in this brutal invasion and we all know who he is.

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Some people buy into revisionist history and see Nazis where they are none. Morons doesn't even describe it accurately.
 
DimeBrite said:
Bogus Facebook, Twitter, IG accounts have been pumping propaganda for years. We in the West leave our doors unlocked and windows open at night to disinformation campaigns. No doubt some Americans parrot the disinformation, especially when it falls into the Republican vs Democrat political debates. At least the social media companies are trying harder to shut-down these accounts. Readers and viewers beware.

As for Tucker, the schmuck is there to sell advertising. Turn it off.
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I agree and would add that disinformation is a lot more prevent than just outliers on social media. You have to watch your step with all information sources... ALL.
 
FontinalisFin said:
Covid, masks, vaccines, nazis, tucker, petty passive aggressiveness.. You guys are well on the way to turning this into WWF!
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Any updates from lex luthor? Are we any closer to cracking the case on whether this invasion is happening? I’ve been eagerly awaiting follow-up but you seem to be getting bogged down with other details.
 
_WW_ said:
Before we just give it up, I'd like to know who is going to take it over.
Chile?
South Africa?
Iran?
China?
Russia?
Canada?
France?
Who you got in mind?

On another thought, Do you think Tucker Carlson is a Russian agent?
Just asking the questions.
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You mean after a summer of chaos you aren't on got defunding the police, the world police that is?

Not sure about Tucker. Believe it or not I don't ever watch him unless he's in a fly shop being called an awful person or something. If the quotations I see are in context and true it may be possible.

I'm kinda disappointed some folks are siding with Russia in this thing. How do you love freedom and independence on one hand then endorse a military takeover of a neighbouring country. Especially when the aggressor isn't even your country and the reasons aren't just. Hypocrisy anyone?
 
Old406Kid said:
There might be hope if they played a 'winner takes all' seven game hockey tournament.:unsure:
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Old406Kid said:
the winner of the World Junior Hockey Tourney takes over not only the title but also world police responsibilities for the year??
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Old406Kid said:
There might be hope if they played a 'winner takes all' seven game hockey tournament.:unsure:
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I vote for the winner of the World Junior Tourney to publicly police the year for that given year…almost solidifies it won’t be Russia.
 
NRC said:
Any updates from lex luthor? Are we any closer to cracking the case on whether this invasion is happening? I’ve been eagerly awaiting follow-up but you seem to be getting bogged down with other details.
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He was beamed up via the northern lights by a Russian time traveling space force vessel. All his updates are from back in the future now. I only hope the time stream can self correct without a major butterfly effect rocking the cosmos to its core.
 
A Russian-owned superyacht is stranded in northern Norway because local oil suppliers refuse to refuel the ship amid Russia’s war in Ukraine and the sanctions that many countries have imposed on Moscow as a result.
The yacht, “Ragnar,” is owned by the Russian oligarch Vladimir Strzhalkovsky, a former K.G.B. agent who made his fortune in nickel mining and is a longtime associate of President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia. Mr. Strzhalkovsky has also served as deputy minister.
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Now, Strzhalkovsky isn’t actually on the EU’s list of sanctioned Russians, but that hardly matters to the folks who would ordinarily be expected to fuel the yacht up. In no uncertain terms, they’ve told the yacht’s crew to take a flying fuck at a rolling ponchik. (Norway isn’t a member of the EU, but it is part of the European Economic Area.)

Sven Holmlund, a local oil supplier, offered little sympathy for those aboard the vessel. “Why should we help them?” he told NRK. “They can row home. Or use a sail.
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Dustin Chromers said:
Not sure about Tucker. Believe it or not I don't ever watch him unless he's in a fly shop being called an awful person or something. If the quotations I see are in context and true it may be possible.
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It's true, the transcripts and video are easily available - at the end of his show, after someone got in his ear, he tried to walk it back, saying he was of course "joking", but if you have the stomach to watch the little weasel shriek, you know he was not joking when he said it. He has since tried to play the victim, but that's Tucker, an intellectually and morally bankrupt reprobate.

And yes, that is a personal attack, but not on anyone on this forum, though what I said about his show is correct and true, so hopefully I am OK.
 
Canuck from Kansas said:
It's true, the transcripts and video are easily available - at the end of his show, after someone got in his ear, he tried to walk it back, saying he was of course "joking", but if you have the stomach to watch the little weasel shriek, you know he was not joking when he said it. He has since tried to play the victim, but that's Tucker, an intellectually and morally bankrupt reprobate.

And yes, that is a personal attack, but not on anyone on this forum, through what I said about his show is correct and true, so hopefully I am OK.
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I only got a week ban from this thread for attacking someone on this forum and then being a brat to the admins about it, so you should only get a 24 hour temp-ban, if ANYTHING 🤣🤣
 

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The Russian occupied Kherson Airport got hammered!
 
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