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jaredoconnor said:
Putting aside your own job security for a minute, what are your thoughts about the gov pumping money into Intel? It seems like a really dumb move, to me. I would much rather see that money go to projects like RISC-V and have the gov set up their own fab.

Lack of incentive to compete is the usual argument for not having public companies, but that seems like a completely moot point here; imagine how much revenue the government would gain, if their products were good enough for the private sector, while also meeting security needs. Two birds with one stone. It seems like a no-brainer, but I'm probably just ignorant and naive.
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While I'm not a fan of government subsidizing corporations, I think in this case it's warranted. Intel may have fallen behind in terms of market competitiveness but from my limited understanding that is largely due to failures in adapting to market changes (lack of "vision" if you will).

The actual technology that Intel is using to make chips is right at the cutting edge. The tech that determines how small the transistors and circuits are is a photographic (Photolithography) process. Intel has been doing a ton of development in EUV Lithography which are systems made by my prior employer ASML (I've been working for my current employer, a former customer, since 2003). Anyway, this EUV shit is nothing short of mind blowing.

The point being it's one thing to develop a tech like this in a pure R&D facility, but producing economically viable products is an entirely different level. For that reason propping up Intel is a good compromise. They have also have a new CEO that seems a bit more market savvy.
 
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Lol

From personal experience I can tell you buying less and consuming less isn't the end of your life.

Not watching TV and being blissfully unaware of stuff I don't need helps too.

Just sayin' here.
YMMV
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Here's a blurb on the EUV (Extreme Ultra Violet) light source alone to illustrate just how nuts this tech is, and why we need to maintain a competitive edge in semiconductors:
To generate extreme ultraviolet (EUV) light, a CO2 laser fires two separate laser pulses at a fast-moving drop of tin. This vaporizes the tin and creates EUV light. It does this up to 50,000 times per second. Several multilayer mirrors to guide the EUV light to the wafer, shrinking the reticle pattern by a factor of four. The wafer stage positions the wafer under the light to within a quarter of a nanometer for each exposure, checking and adjusting 20,000 times per second.
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So basically a "light bulb" that heats molten tin droplets to a few million degrees. But it's really far more precise than it sounds. The CO2 lasers actually use a shaping pulse that flattens the droplets into a precisely angled pancake shape, before ionizing them to a sizable fraction of nuclear fusion temperatures. Then the rest of the $150M machine, uses that light to project a circuit image on a silicon wafer with SUB NANOMETER POSITION ACCURACY ... and does so THOUSANDS of times per second.

Falling behind in this tech is NOT AN OPTION!
 
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Merle said:
Just donated as well... thanks Mingo and Jojo!
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That’s great! It wasn’t me @Merle! Because i had never heard of them before I just posted about checking into how good they are after hearing about it here and then later seeing it on King5.
 
jaredoconnor said:
Putting aside your own job security for a minute, what are your thoughts about the gov pumping money into Intel? It seems like a really dumb move, to me. I would much rather see that money go to projects like RISC-V and have the gov set up their own fab.

Lack of incentive to compete is the usual argument for not having public companies, but that seems like a completely moot point here; imagine how much revenue the government would gain, if their products were good enough for the private sector, while also meeting security needs. Two birds with one stone. It seems like a no-brainer, but I'm probably just ignorant and naive.
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I'll add that as critical as research in various chip architectures, neural network designs etc... may be, it's all based on hardware that has to be fabricated. RISC-V without EUV capability doesn't mean much.

And if you want to talk about ultimate cutting edge tech, with the potential to leave those without it in the dust, look no further than quantum computing and communications. Guess who is the world leader in the latter? It ain't the US.
 
FinLuver said:
Just received word, that the mother and two kids killed, while fleeing under a “cease fire” in a “safe” corridor, were friends of a close friend of mine.

Putin and others need to be captured and tried for war crimes!! 😡😡😡

Have we never evolved and learned from the past??
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Heard the cowardly bastard bombed a children’s hospital. I know of a sports gymnasium hit as well. Military targets…my ass!!! 🤬🤬🤬
 
China and Russia are now accusing the US of testing chemical and biological weapons in secret Ukranian labs.
 
Mossback said:
Yeah..
Nobody even considers the true cost of our consumer society, buying mass consumer crap made in other places cuz it's cheap...how's that working out jobs wise ?
Massive military spending so oil supplies can remain stable, open and affordable...real fuel costs are much higher than what you pay at the pump of course.
The real question is, what would you personally sacrifice in order to lessen the reliance on foreign made goods ?
I've learned never to suggest any lifestyle changes as a part of a solution or consumption changes, as 'muh freedumbs' include an unsustainable rate of resource consumption it seems.

...and so it goes...
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Would the book, "The Ominivores Delimma" be relevant to this ??
 
Meh

That's been a Qanon thing for a while now.
That's where the trafficked children from Pizzagate are according to the Q folks.
Not sure if JFK Jr. Is there though....

I guess Russian intelligence is Rich G.
JFC
 
jaredoconnor said:
imagine how much revenue the government would gain, if their products were good enough for the private sector, while also meeting security needs. Two birds with one stone. It seems like a no-brainer, but I'm probably just ignorant and naive.
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Jared,
Nice premise. But, and I have a big one..., and I'm definitely not an attorney, I think there's a U S Code that prohibits the government from doing just that.
 
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