NFR Ukraine...Little Did I Know

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PhilR said:
Uh, the Somme would like a word with you.
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I have to agree however I don't think there are two hundred thousand Germans and hundreds of machine guns pointed at protestors or guarding the Kremlin.
 
Rob Allen said:
I have to agree however I don't think there are two hundred thousand Germans and hundreds of machine guns pointed at protestors or guarding the Kremlin.
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Part of the issue is that in a repressive security state like Russia, the government has tools to prevent big protests like you envision before they happen. Big protests have organizers. I bet Russia keeps tabs on the potential organizers and would whisk them away to jail (or kill them) if those "usual suspects" tried to organize a big protest. Also, I bet there could be hundreds of machine guns protecting the Kremlin in a matter of minutes.
 
RCF said:
I do not know the demographics of this site but many have never been in a war nor seen the atrocities created by war. They do not have a frame of reference to relate to. Our older members that have been through WWII, Korean conflict, Vietnam war, etc. do not talk about it. They have seen it, lived it and survived it. They want to forget the unspeakable but never will be able to...

I think our news sources are doing a dis-service. Yes, they say it will get worse before it gets better. Then immediately show a 5 minute clip on refugees. Is that what people think it's going to be in the near
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kerrys said:
Do you actually believe this? I would venture to guess you have never been shot at with prejudice.
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@Rob
You do realize we have weapons that can put a bullet into every square inch of a football field on less than 10 seconds, right ?
 
Rob Allen said:
I have to agree however I don't think there are two hundred thousand Germans and hundreds of machine guns pointed at protestors or guarding the Kremlin.
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Ok
Rob, please, if you have Netflix, watch Winter on Fire before they rotate it out. It might change your ideas about crowd and riot dynamics.
All, I pitched this documentary last night because its informative. It gives good insight to the precursor events in Ukraine, to include why the EU is dragging its feet , and might explain why Putin feels entitled to attack and take it.
 
wanderingrichard said:
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Rob, please, if you have Netflix, watch Winter on Fire before they rotate it out. It might change your ideas about crowd and riot dynamics.
All, I pitched this documentary last night because its informative. It gives good insight to the precursor events in Ukraine, to include why the EU is dragging its feet , and might explain why Putin feels entitled to attack and take it.
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watched some of it already
 
let me put it this way.. if the Russian people do not overthrow Putin than they are equally culpable for what he does.
 
There is an interesting idea in a book by Cory Doctorow called Walkaway. He makes the point that the very rich want to keep what they have and prevent it being taken away by a mob with pitchforks and torches. There is a balancing point. If what he calls the "zottarich" keep everything and give nothing to to the rabble, surveillance and security costs to keep the rabble in line will skyrocket. At some point, it makes financial sense to toss enough crumbs to the rabble to keep them from revolting, because that's cheaper than repressing the rabble. Kind of like a pressure release valve. But recently, the cost of surveillance, security, and repression has become much, much lower. So fewer crumbs get tossed. In the book, that leads to many "have-nots" simply walking away from our societal system, enabled by advances in 3D printing that let people print what they need on demand, instead of keeping on-hand all the possessions they might need someday. See George Carlin's bit on a place to keep your stuff.

I'd also recommend the book "Debt: The First 5,000 Years" for an academic discussion of the societal pressure release valve idea.
 
krusty said:
And krusty says, "Everybody thinks they know what they would do in a bar fight, until they've actually been in one".
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Speak for yourself.

I have been preparing myself for this, mentally, for years. I will first do a flawless double round house kick. I will then throw a hadoken at the assailant. Then all the babes will want to make out with me. That's how it's gonna go.

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The Russian ambassador to the United Nations just claimed they are not targeting any civilians, and that all civilian deaths were caused by Ukrainian nationalists murdering their own countrymen. He obviously hasn’t seen the footage we’ve all been watching. Or he thinks the rest of earth is dumb enough to believe his lies. Effing lying sack of shit 🤬.
 
Zak said:
There is an interesting idea in a book by Cory Doctorow called Walkaway. He makes the point that the very rich want to keep what they have and prevent it being taken away by a mob with pitchforks and torches. There is a balancing point. If what he calls the "zottarich" keep everything and give nothing to to the rabble, surveillance and security costs to keep the rabble in line will skyrocket. At some point, it makes financial sense to toss enough crumbs to the rabble to keep them from revolting, because that's cheaper than repressing the rabble. Kind of like a pressure release valve. But recently, the cost of surveillance, security, and repression has become much, much lower. So fewer crumbs get tossed. In the book, that leads to many "have-nots" simply walking away from our societal system, enabled by advances in 3D printing that let people print what they need on demand, instead of keeping on-hand all the possessions they might need someday.
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Isn't that the premise of Star Treks Replicator ?
 
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Sanctions are starting to bite.
 
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