The point, which obviously flew right over your free speech absolutist head, is that progressives are not the only ones who try to stifle expression they don’t like. You think Musk is some free speech hero when he actually isn’t.
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Do you think the kid would give in for 2 million? 3 million? 10 million? 43 billion is a lot to shut a kid up.
okThe chart was made by a self proclaimed liberal. But backed up by 'reasonable methodology'
All ratings were from humans with different political views(left, right, center) let it be in the record that Mitt Romney would consider himself a principled conservative.. lol. So ya it's a biased chart considering how many legacy media sources are at the top.
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Dustin Chromers
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Nothing flew over my head. And I think it's clearly obvious that the right also stifles speech it doesn't like. A brief tour of history would tell you that the church has a strong track record of banning speech it doesn't like and even musical note intervals interestingly enough which is why Bach had to be careful as he experimented with the devil's interval but made clear his talents were "for the glory of God."
I also think making heros of people we don't really even know is dangerous. I admire Musk for his engineering talents and contributions to space exploration. I could do without the trolling tweets etc but alas he's human and I'm sure has other faults as well. These don't negate his gifts but simply point to the fact he isn't perfect. People often think their sports heros or political idiols are perfect. You will not find me worshipping people in this manner and often admonish such tributes paid to fallible men. And no, I'm not religious either so don't read into the word "worship".
I do see Twitter and other similar media as pretty left bias therefore a change in guard couldn't hurt as far as I see it. Then again I could be wrong and it could hurt. I don't think so but the fact certain groups of people are losing their minds over it leads me to believe it's probably for the better. I also don't blame Musk for not wanting his plane location broadcast. Yeah it's legal but it's a security concern and just plain creepy on the privacy front. I wouldn't like it either. I don't like it when Google does it.
Lastly, I would never attack someone's children in print or otherwise because I disagree or don't like their parents. Adult children are fair game I suppose so long as your attack is relevant to their actions or actions in association with the despised parent. But kids? That is in my opinion tacky, low brow, and frankly cowardly. The fact you think this is fair game for some kind of test of Musk's ideals speaks more about your ideals and your available free time than it does his. His children are young and while they benefit from his wealth they really have no participation in his business affairs to my knowledge. I therefore find disparaging his children online or otherwise because you have a problem with him misguided and pretty shitty if I'm being totally honest. I would have the same opinion if you were attacking the children of someone I didn't like.
The fact that attacking someone's children is cheered on by a great many is a harbinger of just how much societal courtesy we've lost. It's no wonder discourse is dead and tribalism reigns the supreme currency of score keeping and so called debate. I feel the same way about doxxing. It's group think crowd bullying and mob thug mentality. But when you can't win on the active front you go underground guerrilla I suppose. It's the intellectual warfare of cowards and the weak who depend on numbers and subversive tactics to force their point, or else.
jaredoconnor
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Monday, April 18 Scoreboard: The Five, Tucker Carlson Tonight Split First Place on Cable News
Fox more than quadrupled CNN in total primetime viewers. MSNBC took second place in primetime. CNN beat MSNBC in total day demo.
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Week of April 11 Basic Cable Ranker: Fox News Gains Total Day Viewers, Loses Primetime Viewers, and Remains No. 1 Overall
Fox continues to reign over cable in total viewers. MSNBC and CNN ranked No. 2 and No. 3, respectively, in total day viewers last week.
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Look at the viewership of opinion vs. news, both in terms of volume and ratio, then compare it to that chart; more of the Fox viewership is on the extremities than the CNN/MSNBC crowd. I wouldn't have thought this is anything surprising.
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So at the 8pm time slot, Carlson smokes Cooper, msnbc is an afterthought, but Carlson is opinion and Cooper is news? Is that what your saying?Monday, April 18 Scoreboard: The Five, Tucker Carlson Tonight Split First Place on Cable News
Fox more than quadrupled CNN in total primetime viewers. MSNBC took second place in primetime. CNN beat MSNBC in total day demo.
Week of April 11 Basic Cable Ranker: Fox News Gains Total Day Viewers, Loses Primetime Viewers, and Remains No. 1 Overall
Fox continues to reign over cable in total viewers. MSNBC and CNN ranked No. 2 and No. 3, respectively, in total day viewers last week.
Look at the viewership of opinion vs. news, both in terms of volume and ratio, then compare it to that chart; more of the Fox viewership is on the extremities than the CNN/MSNBC crowd. I wouldn't have thought this is anything surprising.
Pink Nighty
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For me this is where the Dems lost me fully. The only true liberal in the classic economic sense was Bernie and they couldn't kill him fast enough. When you ask yourself why you come to the conclusion that the DNC is the same as the GOP. A bunch of rich fucks entrenched in power motivated to keep things that way.
I missed the part where someone was attacking children. Musk's children? I was not aware he had any.
@jaredoconnor who said anything is surprising? You missed the point (or maybe not, just glossed over it) of where the two lie. I didn't say anything about viewership. just a side comment of the two extremes of relatively major networks. C'mon, if you're gonna bash Fox (which I do on a regular basis based on their lack of actual journalists working for them---one of the better ones just left), you've gotta have the ability to look at it through the other lens, which is MSNBC (since that was just mentioned) and CNN, which, while we/they/people may think they have a little more journalistic integrity than Fox (they may or may not, I'm sure it's close) but the fact is that they are nearly as far left as Fox is to the right. Keep arguing stupid shit like this, I'm out of this convo because it's honestly not really worth much more of my time (is that kinda like someone announcing they're leaving the forum? 
) have a good one....
back to the Twitter convo....
) have a good one....back to the Twitter convo....
wanderingrichard
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Oh, yeah, hold up that fossilized dino turd as a paragon of virtue and honesty... (sarcasm)
He's not the only one though... Ted Turner, Edison, most all of the robber barons..
jaredoconnor
Peabrain Chub
No, they are both commentary.
I am saying the moderate Fox shows are way less popular than the ones at the extreme. In comparison, that ratio on CNN and MSNBC is more balanced.
I may have sent the wrong link(s), but I am getting paywalled now and can't open anything on that site.
jaredoconnor
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@jaredoconnor who said anything is surprising? You missed the point (or maybe not, just glossed over it) of where the two lie. I didn't say anything about viewership. just a side comment of the two extremes of relatively major networks. C'mon, if you're gonna bash Fox (which I do on a regular basis based on their lack of actual journalists working for them---one of the better ones just left), you've gotta have the ability to look at it through the other lens, which is MSNBC (since that was just mentioned) and CNN, which, while we/they/people may think they have a little more journalistic integrity than Fox (they may or may not, I'm sure it's close) but the fact is that they are nearly as far left as Fox is to the right. Keep arguing stupid shit like this, I'm out of this convo because it's honestly not really worth much more of my time (is that kinda like someone announcing they're leaving the forum?
back to the Twitter convo....
I think we are getting wires crossed here. I was never talking about the integrity of Fox News. I'm talking about the integrity of the people that watch it, or rather their choices as to which parts they consume.
Fox News could be the best network around, but if everyone only watches the worst show, it is meaningless.
Anyway. Carry on.
Chris Bellows
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The answer is yes. This is the lesson of the past ten years. When people say it can’t be worse and then make decisions that clearly make it worse because “it can’t be worse”
swimmy
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I had a member here try to dox me. Dude is creepy as fuck.
How can it get worse?
cody-
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Can someone please recommend an ophthalmologist in SE WA? My eyes involuntarily rolled too far back when they saw some folks calling the use of open source flight data "harassment" and "doxxing" that they might need to be surgically reset. 
Some of y'all:
Some of y'all:
Won't somebody pwease wespect the pwivacy of public figures who actively seek the attention of said public at every chance?
Dustin Chromers
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Can someone please recommend an ophthalmologist in SE WA? My eyes involuntarily rolled too far back when they saw some folks calling the use of open source flight data "harassment" and "doxxing" that they might need to be surgically reset.
Some of y'all:
Doxxing isn't harassment? I guess if that's your standards then the level of discourse you have on display here probably passes for "fair and intelligent discussion".
Have fun with it.
Triploidjunkie
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I remember when you doxxed the Drake forum using all those creepy weirdos from the Panic forum.
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