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[jaredoconnor]

What I find really strange is how folks, who claim to be all about free markets and minimal government, get butt hurt when private businesses act in their self interest and ban their idols.

I'm more concerned about this kind of cognitive dissonance than anything else. It seems to be the primary phenomenon behind the decay of this country.

My favorite one is "love thy neighbor, unless it means actually doing anything for them" (eg. paying for welfare, taking a minimal risk on a vaccine, wearing a mask, letting them get married, etc).

 

[clarkman]

I can't believe it's illegal to use drones for fishing in the US but it's legal in China

China: Video of drone catching fish from pool in Shanghai goes viral, netizens perplexed

m.republicworld.com

I'm outraged.


I want to drone fish.

 

[Dustin Chromers]

What I find really strange is how folks, who claim to be all about free markets and minimal government, get butt hurt when private businesses act in their self interest and ban their idols.

I'm more concerned about this kind of cognitive dissonance than anything else. It seems to be the primary phenomenon behind the decay of this country.

If you're truly concerned about cognitive dissonance you must find Americans in general fertile ground for such concerns. We don't begin to teach logic till college and it's an elective most avoid apparently.

 

[albula]

he's always demonstrated anything BUT a belief in "free exchange of ideas." He attacks and goes after those critical of him, is a huge troll, loves attention, and is a malignant narcissist.

Seems like there's been a whole rash of that going around for the last few years.

 

[swimmy]

I mean, it's not entirely different from any business-owned platform, including the very one we're all posting on here. Free speech = the government can't come after you for saying things that areracist, hateful, false, etc. But the owners of the platform can, because they own it.

There's plenty of speech protected by the 1st amendment that isn't welcome on this platform, so while his wording is certainly ominous, I get it.

And this is the heart of the issue. If you take Musk at his word, he feels the censorship is one sided and has gone too far.

What's the problem then?

Losing control. They hate it.

 

[creekx]

So let me get this straight, you believe legacy media blocks the free exchange of ideas - where is it written that media has an obligation to provide every Tom, Dick and Harriet with a megaphone? It is certainly not in the first amendment. Furthermore, not sure any legacy media, or any media has blocked the free exchange of ideas, would be interested in any data, information you have on this. Has the media blocked you from going to the town square, blocked you from voting, writing your congressperson, etc. Colour me skeptical.

cheers

No, you don't have that straight. That is not at all what I wrote. I agree the media is not obligated to provide anyone and everyone with a megaphone. However, the double standard is glaring. The whiplash from "Twitter is a private company and can do anything they want!" to "OMG we can't let Elon Musk own Twitter!" is staggering. The message is that is is OK for Twitter to be biased in one direction, as long as it is the officially approved direction.

 

[Creatch’r]

Correct, I don't, and it is not their obligation to give me one, not is it Twitter's or Facebook's or anybody else, and if I were to post something on Twitter (I don't), I still wouldn't have the same platform, so not sure what your point is.

To think Twitter is doing some sort of favour or community good by providing a megaphone to anyone who wants to say anything without any accountability is just a wee bit naive. It as a money making venture, pure and simple - if it starts to lose buckets o' money, see how long the megaphone lasts. Do you really believe "Truth Social" is for the purpose it's name implies? Making up stories that are not true, claiming events that happened never happened, etc, is not free speech or the "free exchange of ideas"; it's lies and garbage, and there should be a way to filter it out and not just throw up your hands and say "free speech". There is a reason you cannot yell fire in a crowded theatre when there is no fire and making it illegal does not impinge on anyone's "free speech" or "free exchange of ideas".

cheers

Canuck, you are missing the part where Twitter/Facebook and even our news outlets is filled with all of that negative BS: lies and garbage and made up stories that never happened, yet often, because it is of the approved class of lies and garbage, it is some how “good” and ready for amplification and consumption. To me that’s plain crazy and can only serve political purpose. We are already witnessing the “filter.” The filter held water for awhile, but the seams are definitely bursting.

 

[Canuck from Kansas]

I agree with the both of you. So if Elon buys a publicly traded company legally in our supposed capitalist system then he should be able to do what he wants with his prize? What's the problem then? It's just a business transaction taking place in the great survival of the fittest realm of our economic system. He can ban and control the narrative all he wants. I don't see what everyone is so worried about. I'm sure he will make Twitter better. It's already a cacaphony of self important idiocy. I don't see how it could get any worse.

If we quit dancing and state clearly what this is all about then it's simple. Liberals thought Elon was one of theirs. Now he's revealed he's not and is hated. They view his bid as a total threat. They aren't wrong on that.

For the record I don't tweet. I read tweets sometimes when referred there. I've never been on Truth Social or Parlour.

Losing control. They hate it.

Ahh, yes, the ubiquitous "they"

What I fine ironic is those who cry loudest about "cancel culture" and "free speech" are much the same crowd that are now banning books, speech in
classrooms etc,

"We don't want that in Florida, you need to have a true contest of ideas, students should not be shielded from ideas and we want robust First Amendment speech on our college and university campuses." Ron Desantis, the guy who just banned 54 math books that he claims, without providing the evidence, "indoctrinate" children with CRT and other objectionable ideas.

Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race theory appeared in some

The rejected books make up a record 41% of the 132 books submitted for review, the Florida Department of Education said in a statement.

www.npr.org

Gov. DeSantis signs civic literacy bills, takes aim at socialism, communism

Gov. Ron DeSantis on Tuesday signed a trio of bills that he said will help Florida become the No. 1 state in the nation in terms of civic literacy.

www.news4jax.com

So tell me @swimmy, who's really afraid here?

So much for the free exchange of ideas, go figure

Cheers

 

[Anonymous member 148]

Ahh, yes, the ubiquitous "they"

What I fine ironic is those who cry loudest about "cancel culture" and "free speech" are much the same crowd that are now banning books, speech in
classrooms etc,

"We don't want that in Florida, you need to have a true contest of ideas, students should not be shielded from ideas and we want robust First Amendment speech on our college and university campuses." Ron Desantis, the guy who just banned 54 math books that he claims, without providing the evidence, "indoctrinate" children with CRT and other objectionable ideas.

Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race theory appeared in some

The rejected books make up a record 41% of the 132 books submitted for review, the Florida Department of Education said in a statement.

www.npr.org

Gov. DeSantis signs civic literacy bills, takes aim at socialism, communism

Gov. Ron DeSantis on Tuesday signed a trio of bills that he said will help Florida become the No. 1 state in the nation in terms of civic literacy.

www.news4jax.com

So tell me @swimmy, who's really afraid here?

So much for the free exchange of ideas, go figure

Cheers

To be fair... you don't even need to know math to graduate in Oregon.

 

[Dustin Chromers]

Ahh, yes, the ubiquitous "they"

What I fine ironic is those who cry loudest about "cancel culture" and "free speech" are much the same crowd that are now banning books, speech in
classrooms etc,

"We don't want that in Florida, you need to have a true contest of ideas, students should not be shielded from ideas and we want robust First Amendment speech on our college and university campuses." Ron Desantis, the guy who just banned 54 math books that he claims, without providing the evidence, "indoctrinate" children with CRT and other objectionable ideas.

Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race theory appeared in some

The rejected books make up a record 41% of the 132 books submitted for review, the Florida Department of Education said in a statement.

www.npr.org

Gov. DeSantis signs civic literacy bills, takes aim at socialism, communism

Gov. Ron DeSantis on Tuesday signed a trio of bills that he said will help Florida become the No. 1 state in the nation in terms of civic literacy.

www.news4jax.com

So tell me @swimmy, who's really afraid here?

So much for the free exchange of ideas, go figure

Cheers

I think you should check who you're directing that at. I'm not for cancelling anyone and as far as teaching history or any other subject, teach the truth. And I never used the term they as you have unsuccessfully inferred I have. I try to be and was specific with a grievance or critique. I'm not Swimmy and Swimmy is not me. It would behove you to learn the difference as we don't see eye to eye on all matters. You're straying close to the foul line.

 

[Josh]

Hey guys...

Over the past couple pages, this thread is starting to get more personal than it needs to be. If you can't make your point without shitting on someone's head, then you can't really make your point at all. Remember, arguing political stuff on the internet never changed anyone's mind. It just makes enemies out of folks who you'd likely be friends with otherwise.

We all have far FAR more in common with each other than we do with Musk/DeSantis/Zuckerberg/Trump/Biden. Don't fall into the trap of thinking we don't. I care more about any of you, even if we don't vote the same, than those dudes will ever care about any of us. If you aren't a sack of money or a seat of power, you are trash to them.

But hey, if you want to argue and be asses to each other, I know a great platform you can move the discussion over to. I hear all new users get a free Tesla.

Me, I'd rather go fishing with any one of you.

 

[Anonymous member 148]

Edit: You guys need to post the public service announcement after I post!

 

[dflett68]

There's no better way to bring people together than to create enemies, and these outlets do that extraordinarily well.

this. and once the social platforms' success in driving traffic/impressions this way became undeniable and unbeatable, the entire media spectrum (including most of the so called alternative sources) signed up for the same business model. we really should see through it, and we really should stop using their provocative rhetoric on each other - if we really do want it to change.

 

[jaredoconnor]

If you're truly concerned about cognitive dissonance you must find Americans in general fertile ground for such concerns. We don't begin to teach logic till college and it's an elective most avoid apparently.

I find most Americans to be as good as most people anywhere else in the world.

However, it is a big country and that means there's a lot of people that don't fall into "most". Modern technology and the (current) systems of American society amplify those voices disproportionately. The worst part is that even level headed folks get sucked in now, because we are all inundated with garbage and none of us are perfect.

 

[Dustin Chromers]

this. and once the social platforms' success in driving traffic/impressions this way became undeniable and unbeatable, the entire media spectrum (including most of the so called alternative sources) signed up for the same business model. we really should see through it, and we really should stop using their provocative rhetoric on each other - if we really do want it to change.

It's like going to the river and fly fishing. It's a boring lure and you'll only catch a couple with your noble and ethical approach. Then you got the guy with pink stained waders and worm containers all over. He's slaying them. Media would rather slay than do something boring and credible. There's less money in boring and credible.

 

[Salmo_g]

"Our role is not to be bound by the First Amendment, but our role is to serve a healthy public conversation and our moves are reflective of things that we believe lead to a healthier public conversation.

The kinds of things that we do about this is, focus less on thinking about free speech, but thinking about how the times have changed.

One of the changes today that we see is speech is easy on the internet. Most people can speak. Where our role is particularly emphasized is who can be heard.”

Parag Agrawal, CEO, Twitter

What the hell? Fvck that shit! If you read Twitter or post on Twitter, you're an enabler. Whatsa' matter with you peeps? Drop that shit! Don't read there. Don't post there. It can only exist as long as a lot of peeps are gullible enough to use it. I have no doubt I can live the remainder of my life without ever delving into a platform organized around that quote by the Twitter CEO. Why can't you?

 

[clarkman]

this. and once the social platforms' success in driving traffic/impressions this way became undeniable and unbeatable, the entire media spectrum (including most of the so called alternative sources) signed up for the same business model. we really should see through it, and we really should stop using their provocative rhetoric on each other - if we really do want it to change.

There's a reason the opinion shows on Fox and CNN are so popular. They feed into some perceived thing that people think they should feel outraged by.....the "angrier" the host, the better.

 

[Stonedfish]

There's a reason the opinion shows on Fox and CNN are so popular. They feed into some perceived thing that people think they should feel outraged by.....the "angrier" the host, the better.

Yep, it is like you are on two different planets if you watch both….which is why I stopped watching either. The local news is hard enough to watch anymore.
SF

 

[Canuck from Kansas]

I think you should check who you're directing that at. I'm not for cancelling anyone and as far as teaching history or any other subject, teach the truth. And I never used the term they as you have unsuccessfully inferred I have. I try to be and was specific with a grievance or critique. I'm not Swimmy and Swimmy is not me. It would behove you to learn the difference as we don't see eye to eye on all matters. You're straying close to the foul line.

Mr. @Dustin Chromers, Please excuse, I should have done a bit more "editing" and checking. You are correct, my post was mainly directed at Swimmy, who I know is not you, and you not he. I was also intending to address the "Liberals thought Elon was one of theirs. Now he's revealed he's not and is hated" but strayed and never quite made it there (ie, liberals are not the only ones to change their stance on things as it suits them) - my sincere apologies.

Cheers

 

[clarkman]

Yep, it is like you are on two different planets if you watch both….which is why I stopped watching either. The local news is hard enough to watch anymore.
SF

A while back there was this graph that basically showed right/left/accurate/not accurate. I think Fox and CNN were pretty close to the same (not very accurate reporting & extreme) on the opposite ends of the right/left spectrum. Part of what made me start heading towards AP & Reuters for more reliable (and least biased) news. If I want something that leans left, like where my own personal beliefs lie, yet maintains a relatively high amount of journalistic integrity, it's NPR. But all of this yelling at the opposite side really does zero good for anyone (I'm sure I've been guilty of it a time or three, but at least I have the self awareness to recognize that).