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So Rob, exactly how do you think "science is done nowadays"? outside of your extremely shallow opinion of it being politically motivated...

Being entrenched in the scientific community for the better part 25 years, there is not a single instance either with what I've been working on or in the institution I have been working at where any science being done has anything to do with anything politically. Not a single instance.

Canuck beat me to it...re: your sources of information. e.g. popular media outlets vs. actual scientific journals. Honestly though, this wouldn't surprise me one bit.
 
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Nick Clayton said:
I've watched plenty of news about the harm Christianity has done to this world. Guess that makes me an expert on religion.
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I think it does...

When's the sermon?
 
Rob Allen said:
That's great. Science is not being done that way nowadays.
Nowadays, at least on the " issues of the day" you start out with a political idea in mind then create "science" that establishes your idea then you demand that others accept it as the absolute truth including government agencies.

If there was a political agenda that needed the science of gravity to be overturned it absolutely would be and the professional organizations in that field of study would be bullied into accepting it.

Yes I just generalized modern science.. yes I know there are exceptions even lots of them.
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This post suggests you're subscribing to popular conspiracy theories. Sure, some science is, and has always been, subject to political and or religious sway, but the vast majority of the science world just keeps plugging away searching for the truth, and going where it leads us.
 
Nick Clayton said:
Curious where you get your insight on how "science is done nowadays". Seems to me there are folks on this very forum with actual science knowledge and careers who are quite open about explaining exactly how science is done. What exactly are you basing this claim on, beyond what you read from a third party source?
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Dr. John Money..
 
Rob Allen said:
It's done far less damage in 20 centuries than secularism did in 1.
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Why do you laugh, we're you not alive during the 1900s. Communism which secularists must accept as their own did more damage in less than a century than Christianity did in 20.
10 million murders and that's just one of the many things Stalin did and Stalin wasn't the worst.

That was communism not secularism?

Bingo....
 
Nick Clayton said:
Ya, that tracks
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He was a pseudo scientist who started with what he wanted to be true, designed his experiments to give him the answers he wanted and fabricated the rest.
All the while being a child sex abuser and caused the deaths of his two and only study participants. Lauded by the scientific community as a hero and a scientific pioneer. He was a fraud who should have been in prison not Harvard.
 
Some of today's most popular science (coming to you in part from the JWST) - I dare you to find a political agenda!!

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Salmo_g said:
This post suggests you're subscribing to popular conspiracy theories. Sure, some science is, and has always been, subject to political and or religious sway, but the vast majority of the science world just keeps plugging away searching for the truth, and going where it leads us.
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Please note my last sentence. And a sentence in a previous post where I was saying that in the context of modern social issues.
 
Canuck from Kansas said:
Really, so are all your other "facts" just close enough, or are they actually facts? (Hint: Facts are not a game of horseshoes).

Note: Socrates is generally considered the "Father" of western thought, some 350 years before the individual referred to in a previous post, who was not really a philosopher, but a spiritual/religious leader.

Cheers
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And they made him drink hemlock since he didn’t know where Soap Lake was…
 
Would someone please bring the Locusts now ?image-15.png
 
Rob Allen said:
Lauded by the scientific community as a hero and a scientific pioneer.
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Except when this was discovered, the opposite happened by the scientific community, as it should have and always does.
 
jact55 said:
I think folks forget history real quick. Or at least look at it through weird ass glasses.
I'm not saying we are perfect. I'm not saying there isn't more work to be done.
But God damn, if you think the slave holder mentality is anywhere close to even par compared to the past, I wish we had a time machine.
There are corporations that would implement (and do so actually) slavery in a heart beat. The fucking phone I'm typing on is some slave shit. From the apple factory it's made in, to the minerals from the Congo. (I'm on a Samsung, but point made)
But as far as the USA workforce and liberties given to every race of its inhabitants, its night and day compared to the past. Literally factual.
Shit ain't perfect, but let's not buy into what the media and governement is feeding the simple minds.

Overpopulation is not as dire. Europe is fading, usa is stagnant. China is about to face a crisis.
Nigeria, Bangladesh, India, ect might be a different story, but it's not as insane as one tends to believe
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There are corporations that would implement (and do so actually) slavery in a heart beat.
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I totally agree with your words and believe they echo exactly what I wrote. This is happening as we speak.
But as far as the USA workforce and liberties given to every race of its inhabitants, its night and day compared to the past. Literally factual.
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These liberties are being eroded by present-day political factions and the "simple minds" as you put it, that buy into conspiracy theories. I'd like to believe that it's a "night and day" comparison but there is too much evidence to the contrary rising up, almost by the day.

We disagree on overpopulation. The amount of humans currently existing on Earth outstrips future resource availability and earth's carrying capacity. Just because some places have lessened reproduction percentages does not reverse the damage that has already been done.
 
Rob Allen said:
He was a pseudo scientist who started with what he wanted to be true, designed his experiments to give him the answers he wanted and fabricated the rest.
All the while being a child sex abuser and caused the deaths of his two and only study participants. Lauded by the scientific community as a hero and a scientific pioneer. He was a fraud who should have been in prison not Harvard.
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Take the exception and make it the rule, hmmmm. He was at Johns Hopkins by the way, not Harvard and once his methods were discovered, he lost credibility, but we won't mention that.
 
clarkman said:
Except when this was discovered, the opposite happened by the scientific community, as it should have and always does.
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Sorry the worst thing you'll find from the science/education system is that He was controversial. He is still lauded as a pioneer of research. Of which he did none.
He is still considered the founder of that field of study and others research uses his fake science as the foundation of their own work.

That is social science in modern America.
 
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