Taking Strangers Fishing, Yay or Nay?

Breck

The Whisk(e)y Dick
I have in the past offered open seats when I didn't want to fish alone in my boat. It would seem that 90% of the time it turned out to be a bad decision. A couple of examples:

A few years ago when I lived in NW Montana, there was a lake near my house that held huge populations of burly cutthroat and grayling. When the ice came off, fishing for both species was lights out. I planned to go on my first trip there in the season and none of my regular fishing buddies could make it that day. I posted on a local FB fly fishing page that I had an open seat. I closed the post with a humorous "No weirdos", but meant it. Before long I had a guy message me saying that he'd like to join me. We chatted back & forth a bit about how we would be fishing and I asked him if he knew how to fly fish. He replied that he did. We agreed to meet at the boat launch the following morning. He shows up late, of course. Not a huge deal, but annoying. We launch my drift boat and I noticed that he didn't bring any gear whatsoever. Again, not a huge deal as I brought a couple extra rods & reels just in case. It's a pretty good row across the lake from the launch to the inlet where we would be fishing. We get there, I drop anchor and get the rods set up (indicator with a balanced leech and a chiro below that). I hand him his rod, told him to cast out and wait for the indicator to twitch. It was soon apparent that he had never held, much less casted a fly rod before. I gave him a few pointers, he was a quick learner, and before long, we were both hooking fish. A few minutes later a game warden pulls up in a john boat. He was polite and friendly and asked to see our licenses. I gave him mine and the other guy did as well. He hands mine back and then tells other dude that his had expired the previous year. He kinda stammered out that he thought they were good for two years. The officer gave him a "I wasn't born yesterday" look. He then turns to me and asked to see my guide license. I replied that I wasn't guiding and that I had just offered this guy an open seat. He seemed satisfied with that and didn't press it any further. He then turns to the other guy and asks for his ID. "I left it in my truck." he said. The officer's patience was wearing thin at this point. He asked him his name and the dude wouldn't tell him! He finally gets it out of him and before long discovers that this guy has a warrant. I had to pull anchor and row his dumb ass all the way back to the launch so that the officer could take him into custody. That was the last time I ever offered an open seat to a stranger.

Another time, I took a guy down the NF Lewis for chinook & coho. Things went pretty well at first because he had brought along some great cigars, whisky, and beer. He starts to get a little loaded pretty quickly, however. He empties a beer can and tosses it into the river. I immediately caught up with the can as it was still afloat and grabbed it with the net. I told him under no circumstances was that to happen again, and if it did, he would be walking to the takeout. Well, guess what? He does it again. I pulled over to the bank after retrieving the can and told him to get out of the boat. He looked me like he thought I was joking. "Get. The. Fuck. Out. Now!!" "There's the road. See you in a few hours if you're still there." It was still pretty early in the float and I intended to keep fishing. One of my good buddies was with us too and he wanted to keep fishing as well. When we got to the takeout after a few hours of some great fishing, he was nowhere to be seen.

There have been cases in the past where I have taken offers of open seats with people I didn't know. But I always pick up and dispose of my trash, offer to bring lunch, beverages, and snacks, pay out for gas and other expenses, and mind my damn manners. It seems, at least in my experience, that more often than not, other folks don't seem to understand this.
 
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I don't have Facebook and wouldn't take a complete stranger out. I have taken people from here out. I don't consider them complete strangers since I have seen them post. That gives me some idea of who's gonna show up. I have also gone out with people on here. In each case it was all good.
 
When I was climbing a lot, I had pretty good luck meeting new partners off of a message board, but would look up their posting history to exclude people that were displaying obvious red flags, and always started with low-risk "get to know you" climbs before trying moving onto anything more serious/committing.

Worst case was a nice guy that had a completely debillitating, full-bore panic attack that left rendered him completely unresponsive while I was belaying him up to the first ledge. Turned out to be a good opportunity to practice some rescue skills in a pretty benign setting.
 
I took guy that I had fished with one or two times previously on the Cowlitz for sea-run cutties. Based on past experience, he seemed like an ok guy. Right out of the gate, he hooks a beauful big steelhead. We get it to the net and it clearly had one too many fins to be a keeper. I was as elated as he was, but after a picture I explained that he needed to release it. He flipped out. This was back in the day when there was a spot on the catch card for one native steelhead per license year and he wanted to use it. I told him legally, he could use that punch spot, but he wasn't going to kill a nate in my boat. He called me an asshole. I got a little heated as a result but he insisted that he was going to keep that fish. I explained what would happen if he decided to do that. He accepted my terms. I rowed upstream back to the put in with the fish still in the net and let him out of the boat. He collected his gear and his fish and that was the last I ever saw of him. His car was already at the put in as he had driven shuttle. My rig was at the takeout. I continued to fish and had a banner day. Maybe I am an asshole, but I don't allow the killing of native fish in my boat, period.
 
I think there's a wide gap between Facebook random and PNWFF invites. I don't Facebook but what little I've seen of the fishing groups there would never inspire me to throw out invites.

I've done it here many times and never had a bad experience. Well, one guy on the previous forum is one I gave multiple chances but eventually told him flat out he just got his last invite because he seemed like he made an effort to avoid making a trip fun.
 
I think there's a wide gap between Facebook random and PNWFF invites. I don't Facebook but what little I've seen of the fishing groups there would never inspire me to throw out invites.

I've done it here many times and never had a bad experience. Well, one guy on the previous forum is one I gave multiple chances but eventually told him flat out he just got his last invite because he seemed like he made an effort to avoid making a trip fun.
Do you remember that first time I met you & Jason at Sultan and I showed up with a dead owl stuck to my windshield wiper? It had flown right into my windshield moments before I pulled into Sultan and got stuck there. I remember thinking "Well this is going to make a great first impression."😂
 
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Do you remember that first time I met you & Jason at Sultan and I showed up with a dead owl stuck to my windshield wiper? It had flown right into my windshield and got stuck there.
Was that the day we almost flipped your drift boat by broadsiding that can opener? 😂
 
When it comes to open seats, one thing I was guilty of in the past before I actually owned a boat, was complete ignorance about how much time and effort goes into the trip before the boat shows up at the launch and afterwards.

My only open seat trips were with in-laws, but it was only after I got my own boat that I became a more thoughtful "open seat guy" and made an extra effort to pull my weight by bringing food drinks gas money etc and generally doing whatever I could to take some of the burden off of whoever was providing the boat.
 
Was that the day we almost flipped your drift boat by broadsiding that can opener? 😂
No. That was my buddy's boat. Different trip. I was in my boat behind you and watched in horror as the whole affair happened. That was scary.
 
No way to fishing with internet strangers.

If I randomly encounter somebody on the water who has good fishing energy, I might consider fishing with them again in the future.

I do think it is really important to volunteer time to mentor young kids who are interested in fly fishing in some kind of group setting.
 
On the other side - I've seen some pretty funny/scary stories elsewhere about accepting invites from internet strangers. One in particular comes to mind. A buddy of mine jumped on an open invite on another forum to fish coho out of Newport (ocean fishing) with a long time poster who seemed legit. Shows up and his boat is a slapped together old Arima with a 1970s era Johnson 2 smoke. They got out and fished but he said at no point in the day did he feel the least bit safe. Almost asked to be taken back.

It was a small boat, the 19 footer, which if you've been on one you know how little floor space there is. Maybe 2.5 people can fish comfortably. Well, this genius forgot he invited 4 people... So there were 5 of them on this trip. Thankfully, nothing catastrophic happened but he did not enjoy the day and quietly reached out to a few others to say "hey, do NOT fish with this guy."

A week or two later, another forum member made a scathing post about fishing with the same guy. Said his boat was not at all kept in safe ocean condition. When they were like 15miles from port, the steering goes out. Apparently this guy was using old school steering cable (which rusts), and tried to keep it "serviced" by drilling into the casing and spraying WD-40 into it. That system finally failed. So this guest and the other invite got to steer the boat with straps hooked up to the old crappy engine on the back.

To make matters more fun for the two invites trying their best to get home safely, this "captain" decides that "she likes to go fast!" and proceeded to get up on plane and book it back to port without any regards to the guys standing in the back trying to keep the engine pointed the right way.

This "captain" of course threw a fit about the post and stated how disappointing it was to see how UNGRATEFUL people were for being invited to fish the ocean.
 
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I do have to say that while the exception to the norm, I have made some lifelong friends as a result of going fishing with strangers. Not enough to ever make me do it again though.
 
These stories are wild to me!

I’ve been fortunate that I learned to FF in a club in my high school and was able to be on group trips and find who I liked to fish with and simply
Continued to fish with those guys (good size crew of about 8 of us). The group has expanded a little (subtracted a few too due to normal
Life stuff, nothing dramatic) but generally expansions were based on recommendations of people one of the guys has met or known, but I’ve generally been fine filling up my boat and not needing to ‘extend’ too often. The few times I have were at suggestions by guys I knew or guys I know through a few of the local shops and mostly been good experiences.
 
Ive had my share of funny/horror stories on my boat with strangers in Hawaii…usually its my wife inviting the significant other of a friend of hers…and usually it involves someone getting deathly seasick and crying for hours to go back to shore after we made a 30 mile run to fish the backside of Molokai…
 
Ive had my share of funny/horror stories on my boat with strangers in Hawaii…usually its my wife inviting the significant other of a friend of hers…and usually it involves someone getting deathly seasick and crying for hours to go back to shore after we made a 30 mile run to fish the backside of Molokai…
Ahhh yes. the dreaded spousal offer. "I'm sure Breck would love to take you with him and teach you how to fish." Ugh.
 
I rowed for a couple of years for the annual PHW "Two-Fly" event on the Yakima. Both years, I was paired with the same veteran/sponser team. The sponser was great. The vet was an absolute boner. He was in the seat behind me and kept wrapping his fly line/leader around my neck and face. After about the dozenth time and I had to dig a #16 prince nymph out of the cartilage of my ear, I had finally had enough and blew up a little bit. He pouted the rest of the float, but at least he ceased with his horrific fly line assault. The other guy had a great day. Imagine my dismay when I got paired with the same boner the following year. At least it seemed like he had done some practice. He only whipped me two or three times that year.
 
I've always said that I'll fish with just about anyone at least once. That said, most people I fish with even just once are still people who I've chatted up on the forum. Sometimes personalities just don't mesh. I mean shit, I sure as hell ain't everyone's cup of tea either.

@Breck , sounds like you got a couple at one end of the bell curve....dang!
 
I've met up with a few people from here(well, the old board) and a bunch from the old Drake board. Mostly had good times and I've been friends with some of them for 20ish years now.

That said, I've had enough poor experiences that I will meet up with somebody a couple times before committing to spend an entire day in a boat with them.
 
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