Solitude on a small, hike-in, seep lake 4/26/2023

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After encountering that huge crowd of anglers on Opening Day, I sure was happy to find no one else at a small, hike-in seep lake this past week. Of course, it could be due to the very murky water with only one foot of visibility, and the very low water level that deterred the others. Or, it could be the long hike that mysteriously seems to be uphill in both directions, and which I'm positive gets longer every year. I only landed 4 fish, but I considered it a successful outing as I value quality over quantity. The largest fish was a 23 incher that looked like it had never been hooked before and fought like it:

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The next largest fish was a 19 incher that also looked like it had never been hooked before and fought even better:

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I hooked another fish that jumped and flipped the hook that looked to be the sister of that 19 incher. The other fish I hooked were smaller ones in the 13 to 15 inch range, but they all fought quite well for their size. I think the key to attracting fish in that very murky water was using what I call a Staccato Retrieve, which is using very short, very quick strips, with no pausing. This creates a lot of movement at the fly, which I think the fish can detect with their lateral line, even if they have trouble visually seeing the fly. I was using a GBH Dark Olive Rabbit Fur Leech, but I don't think the specific fly pattern matters that much in this situation. It was also important to retrieve the fly right along the bottom (I was hooking weeds on every other cast, so I knew I was very near the bottom).

While hiking out of another lake the day before, I encountered a situation I'd never faced before. On the hike I ran into a herd of cattle, which is not unexpected in that range country where the cattle run wild. Usually, the cattle herd is made up of cows and their calves, but on this hike the herd also had a big, black bull who was steaming mad at me for unknown reasons. This bull was making all kinds of aggressive noises, pawing at the ground, and running around getting his cows moving over the hill. It was literally steaming, and I could see the steam rising from its entire body, and snot was dripping from his nose. It was like something out of a cartoon, but here he was, right in front of me. I wasn’t sure what to do if the bull charged me while I was carrying my float tube. What would you have done? Fortunately, the bull eventually wandered over the hill to re-join his cows. I didn’t think much about it, till I got to my car and started packing up. The bull had followed me to the car and was still steaming mad and making aggressive noises. At least I felt a little safer being near the car, as I figured I could get into the car. The bull got within about 30 feet of me. I know bulls can get crazy mad, but this one seemed like it was rabid. I set off the car alarm a few times, but that didn’t even faze the bull. I stayed out of sight behind my car and eventually the bull wandered off. First time that’s happened to me, and hopefully the last. While I was gone fishing, some of the cattle also licked the back end of my car, probably for the road salt. That car is definitely in need of a car wash. Anyway, just a warning to keep a sharp eye out for steaming mad bulls that are running around out there.

On another note, the wildflowers are starting to bloom out there in the desert. Here's some Shooting Stars that are in full bloom:

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And what I think is some kind of Wallflower:

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Rex
 
I think the key to attracting fish in that very murky water was using what I call a Staccato Retrieve, which is using very short, very quick strips, with no pausing.
Sort of a fly fishing chatterbait retrieve!

Great fish/photos!
 
Great report Rex. That sounded like a really pissed off bull.
I once had a similar situation with a couple of really aggressive free range cows on a creek in NE Washington. I ended up drilling the more aggressive of the two in the side with a rock to finally end things.
SF
 
After encountering that huge crowd of anglers on Opening Day, I sure was happy to find no one else at a small, hike-in seep lake this past week. Of course, it could be due to the very murky water with only one foot of visibility, and the very low water level that deterred the others. Or, it could be the long hike that mysteriously seems to be uphill in both directions, and which I'm positive gets longer every year. I only landed 4 fish, but I considered it a successful outing as I value quality over quantity. The largest fish was a 23 incher that looked like it had never been hooked before and fought like it:

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The next largest fish was a 19 incher that also looked like it had never been hooked before and fought even better:

View attachment 63384

I hooked another fish that jumped and flipped the hook that looked to be the sister of that 19 incher. The other fish I hooked were smaller ones in the 13 to 15 inch range, but they all fought quite well for their size. I think the key to attracting fish in that very murky water was using what I call a Staccato Retrieve, which is using very short, very quick strips, with no pausing. This creates a lot of movement at the fly, which I think the fish can detect with their lateral line, even if they have trouble visually seeing the fly. I was using a GBH Dark Olive Rabbit Fur Leech, but I don't think the specific fly pattern matters that much in this situation. It was also important to retrieve the fly right along the bottom (I was hooking weeds on every other cast, so I knew I was very near the bottom).

While hiking out of another lake the day before, I encountered a situation I'd never faced before. On the hike I ran into a herd of cattle, which is not unexpected in that range country where the cattle run wild. Usually, the cattle herd is made up of cows and their calves, but on this hike the herd also had a big, black bull who was steaming mad at me for unknown reasons. This bull was making all kinds of aggressive noises, pawing at the ground, and running around getting his cows moving over the hill. It was literally steaming, and I could see the steam rising from its entire body, and snot was dripping from his nose. It was like something out of a cartoon, but here he was, right in front of me. I wasn’t sure what to do if the bull charged me while I was carrying my float tube. What would you have done? Fortunately, the bull eventually wandered over the hill to re-join his cows. I didn’t think much about it, till I got to my car and started packing up. The bull had followed me to the car and was still steaming mad and making aggressive noises. At least I felt a little safer being near the car, as I figured I could get into the car. The bull got within about 30 feet of me. I know bulls can get crazy mad, but this one seemed like it was rabid. I set off the car alarm a few times, but that didn’t even faze the bull. I stayed out of sight behind my car and eventually the bull wandered off. First time that’s happened to me, and hopefully the last. While I was gone fishing, some of the cattle also licked the back end of my car, probably for the road salt. That car is definitely in need of a car wash. Anyway, just a warning to keep a sharp eye out for steaming mad bulls that are running around out there.

On another note, the wildflowers are starting to bloom out there in the desert. Here's some Shooting Stars that are in full bloom:

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And what I think is some kind of Wallflower:

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Rex
Holy crap Rex. I don't know what I would have done.
That would have called for a change of my drawers back at the truck for me. Fortunately I carry a falling in the water kit aka a full set of dry clothes in my vehicle when fishing.
Was this at the parking lot where I saw you last weekend?
 
on this hike the herd also had a big, black bull who was steaming mad at me for unknown reasons. This bull was making all kinds of aggressive noises, pawing at the ground, and running around getting his cows moving over the hill.
What would you have done?
Holy crap Rex. I don't know what I would have done.
That would have called for a change of my drawers back at the truck for me. Fortunately I carry a falling in the water kit aka a full set of dry clothes in my vehicle when fishing.
Was this at the parking lot where I saw you last weekend?
Who would think you need to carry bear spray in the desert. I'm sure it would have worked.
 
Great report. FYI, when you are 18 you can almost clear a 5’ barbed wire fence while wearing boot foot rubber waders if motivated enough by charging male bovines. Those waders were toast, but the bull stopped at the fence.
 
Pictures of the bull... or it didn't happen! (nice fish!)
My wife was saying the same thing, but at the time I was thinking so hard about what I would do if the bull charged me that I didn't even think about taking photos or videos. In retrospect, I do wish I would have thought about taking some photos or videos, as that bull was so close to me and I would have had a great photo opportunity. It was more like "Do I want to live?" or get a good photo? Being older (and hopefully wiser), I opted to think about living. :)
 
Nice fish, and yikes!!

I was out in the Seeps this week, also, and encountered a small herd of cows and calves next to the road. I slowed the van/trailer as I passed to admire them, and they all turned and started trotting toward me! I figured maybe they thought the trailer was a hay delivery or something? But maybe the local cattle have just decided they don't like people anymore.

I do carry bear spray in the desert. And on my kayak. It is not for bears or cows, but this is one more good reason to have it
 
Great report and fish. When I go to any hike-in lake here, I always carry bear spray and the 10mm ( it is Wyoming after all). The only time I have ever used either was in a similar situation. Coming back out from a lake on a dirt road, just came through a barbed wire fence gate and there’s a small herd of cows with a bull. He’s doing the same thing you experienced. I put a round in the dirt near him and they all took off running. I’m sure they were afraid of the noise.
 
The problem I see with carrying bear spray is that the wind has to be moving in the right direction, the range is very limited, and at least with the bear spray that I have, I think I only have about 7 seconds of spray before it runs out (I may be wrong about the amount of time, as my memory isn't what it used to be). I feel like I would only make that steaming mad bull just a lot madder than he already was. Has anyone actually used bear spray against a bear or bull? If so, what was the result?
 
Which would be more effective? Bear spray or mace?
 
After encountering that huge crowd of anglers on Opening Day, I sure was happy to find no one else at a small, hike-in seep lake this past week. Of course, it could be due to the very murky water with only one foot of visibility, and the very low water level that deterred the others. Or, it could be the long hike that mysteriously seems to be uphill in both directions, and which I'm positive gets longer every year. I only landed 4 fish, but I considered it a successful outing as I value quality over quantity. The largest fish was a 23 incher that looked like it had never been hooked before and fought like it:

View attachment 63383

The next largest fish was a 19 incher that also looked like it had never been hooked before and fought even better:

View attachment 63384

I hooked another fish that jumped and flipped the hook that looked to be the sister of that 19 incher. The other fish I hooked were smaller ones in the 13 to 15 inch range, but they all fought quite well for their size. I think the key to attracting fish in that very murky water was using what I call a Staccato Retrieve, which is using very short, very quick strips, with no pausing. This creates a lot of movement at the fly, which I think the fish can detect with their lateral line, even if they have trouble visually seeing the fly. I was using a GBH Dark Olive Rabbit Fur Leech, but I don't think the specific fly pattern matters that much in this situation. It was also important to retrieve the fly right along the bottom (I was hooking weeds on every other cast, so I knew I was very near the bottom).

While hiking out of another lake the day before, I encountered a situation I'd never faced before. On the hike I ran into a herd of cattle, which is not unexpected in that range country where the cattle run wild. Usually, the cattle herd is made up of cows and their calves, but on this hike the herd also had a big, black bull who was steaming mad at me for unknown reasons. This bull was making all kinds of aggressive noises, pawing at the ground, and running around getting his cows moving over the hill. It was literally steaming, and I could see the steam rising from its entire body, and snot was dripping from his nose. It was like something out of a cartoon, but here he was, right in front of me. I wasn’t sure what to do if the bull charged me while I was carrying my float tube. What would you have done? Fortunately, the bull eventually wandered over the hill to re-join his cows. I didn’t think much about it, till I got to my car and started packing up. The bull had followed me to the car and was still steaming mad and making aggressive noises. At least I felt a little safer being near the car, as I figured I could get into the car. The bull got within about 30 feet of me. I know bulls can get crazy mad, but this one seemed like it was rabid. I set off the car alarm a few times, but that didn’t even faze the bull. I stayed out of sight behind my car and eventually the bull wandered off. First time that’s happened to me, and hopefully the last. While I was gone fishing, some of the cattle also licked the back end of my car, probably for the road salt. That car is definitely in need of a car wash. Anyway, just a warning to keep a sharp eye out for steaming mad bulls that are running around out there.

On another note, the wildflowers are starting to bloom out there in the desert. Here's some Shooting Stars that are in full bloom:

View attachment 63385

And what I think is some kind of Wallflower:

View attachment 63386

Rex
The question you asked “what would you do” I wouldn’t have to worry because he would not be able to catch me i can run faster on clean grown then he can in my poop.
 
The problem I see with carrying bear spray is that the wind has to be moving in the right direction, the range is very limited, and at least with the bear spray that I have, I think I only have about 7 seconds of spray before it runs out (I may be wrong about the amount of time, as my memory isn't what it used to be). I feel like I would only make that steaming mad bull just a lot madder than he already was. Has anyone actually used bear spray against a bear or bull? If so, what was the result?
All good questions. I look at it as a last resort. As in, to be used only if an animal is charging you - at which point it's better than nothing, or a rock. And it should at least eff up their eyesight and let you escape more easily.

That said...and I really wish I could find that video again!...I once saw footage of a guy that bearsprayed a bull moose that was aggressively following him to his truck. Someone was filming from their car in the same parking lot. That did not go well. The moose went absolutely berserk. The guy managed to dive and roll under his truck , and the moose proceeded to ram the truck repeatedly and was trying its best to get at him under the truck for several minutes. It was pissed. I don't think moose see real well to begin with, so no help there. Maybe don't spray a moose.

I've read many accounts of it working on bears. Even if it only stops a charging bear 50% of the time, that's probably 50% more than screaming does ;)
 
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