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Nick Clayton said:
I haven't followed this super closely, but sure is an awful situation. I honestly can't think of many things I'd be less interested in doing than going thousands of feet under the ocean in a metal cigar. I'm far too claustrophobic for that sort of bullshit.

One thought I've had the last few days is that not only can I not imagine what their families and loved ones have been going through, I truly can't imagine being one of their family members who happens to hop on Facebook and come across the countless memes people have been making about this situation. People are free to their opinions on this situation and the decision these people made to undergo such a journey, but God damn the thought of someone's son dealing with his father being trapped under water with diminishing oxygen at best and dead at worst and then seeing people make jokes about it kinda makes my gut hurt.

I can't possibly understand those peoples justifications for climbing onto that vessel in the first place, and I never will, but man some of the stuff I've seen online has been tasteless as hell.
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Well, one of the sons put up an IG post smiling pic at a Blink 182 concert while the search was ongoing. Apparently the teenage son that died with his dad was terrified but went as a fathers day gift.

Kinda makes you wonder about the family life of billionaires. I'm guessing most of them aren't around for their family much. Guess their money will be though.
 
Yard Sale said:
Well, one of the sons put up an IG post smiling pic at a Blink 182 concert while the search was ongoing. Apparently the teenage son that died with his dad was terrified but went as a fathers day gift.

Kinda makes you wonder about the family life of billionaires. I'm guessing most of them aren't around for their family much. Guess their money will be though.
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Yeah no matter how you slice it its a fucked up situation.

One thing I have learned in my life and believe in strongly is that its pointless to question how other people grieve or handle those sorts of insanely stressful situations. And in this case I think this concept is even more exaggerated. My wife and I were discussing the concept earlier. Ya, he went to a concert. He also later responded to criticism of that decision by saying that he went to try to take his mind off things for a couple hours, to maybe feel some semblance of normality. Would I go to a concert in that situation? No, I don't imagine I would. But considering the absolutely helpless situation he was in, his inability to do probably ANYTHING to contribute that would help the scenario, I have to imagine I would find myself frustrated beyond believe and grasping for anything that might give me a bit of stress relief. I dunno, I just dont feel like it is my place to judge how someone else handles a situation that I can't even begin to pretend to understand.

My wife told me about that guy's son who went along earlier. Pretty sad. Didn't want to do it but bit the bullet for his "Titanic obsessed father" as a Father's Day gift. Pretty damned awful.
 
Apparently, the CEO fired someone for raising safety concerns. He also boasted about how they’re too innovative to have to worry about proper testing. The viewport glass was not rated for the depths they were going to, among other things.
 
jaredoconnor said:
Apparently, the CEO fired someone for raising safety concerns. He also boasted about how they’re too innovative to have to worry about proper testing. The viewport glass was not rated for the depths they were going to, among other things.
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This was the CEO’s quote on safety:

"You know, there's a limit. You know, at some point, safety just is pure waste. I mean, if you just want to be safe, don't get out of bed,"

"Don't get in your car. Don't do anything. At some point, you're going to take some risk, and it really is a risk/reward question. I think I can do this just as safely by breaking the rules.”

As a side note, cars have pretty strict safety regulations, along with a whole set of laws and regulations governing their use.
 
Per news sources I’ve read, it sounds like the Navy detected an acoustic signature consistent with an implosion on Sunday, though it wasn’t definitive. That helped narrow the search field.
Sad deal for sure for all involved.
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Nick Clayton said:
Yeah no matter how you slice it its a fucked up situation.

One thing I have learned in my life and believe in strongly is that its pointless to question how other people grieve or handle those sorts of insanely stressful situations. And in this case I think this concept is even more exaggerated. My wife and I were discussing the concept earlier. Ya, he went to a concert. He also later responded to criticism of that decision by saying that he went to try to take his mind off things for a couple hours, to maybe feel some semblance of normality. Would I go to a concert in that situation? No, I don't imagine I would. But considering the absolutely helpless situation he was in, his inability to do probably ANYTHING to contribute that would help the scenario, I have to imagine I would find myself frustrated beyond believe and grasping for anything that might give me a bit of stress relief. I dunno, I just dont feel like it is my place to judge how someone else handles a situation that I can't even begin to pretend to understand.

My wife told me about that guy's son who went along earlier. Pretty sad. Didn't want to do it but bit the bullet for his "Titanic obsessed father" as a Father's Day gift. Pretty damned awful.
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Also goes to show why posting your entire life on social media has little to no upside. Go to the concert and don't post a damn selfie. Problem solved.
 
ColinShots said:
This was the CEO’s quote on safety:

"You know, there's a limit. You know, at some point, safety just is pure waste. I mean, if you just want to be safe, don't get out of bed,"

"Don't get in your car. Don't do anything. At some point, you're going to take some risk, and it really is a risk/reward question. I think I can do this just as safely by breaking the rules.”

As a side note, cars have pretty strict safety regulations, along with a whole set of laws and regulations governing their use.
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Dude was a living, breathing, Darwin Award recipient-to-be.
 
As a former submariner, carbon fiber composite has no business in deep ocean exploration. Anyone who thought these guys could have been rescued had the submersible not imploded and been sitting on the ocean floor doesn't understand the immense pressure (44 lbs/100 ft) or difficulty of working 2 miles below the surface. Likely only one ROV in the world that could have manipulated a cable onto the vessel to allow it to be pulled up, and only a couple of vessels equipped to haul something up from that deep. The "rescue" effort was a waste of time and money.
 
Evan B said:
Also goes to show why posting your entire life on social media has little to no upside. Go to the concert and don't post a damn selfie. Problem solved.
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This is exactly why the modern media internet world fucks with my brain so much. All these people claiming they did something questionable for this reason or that reason… but the truth is they did it for likes and attention. I suspect most of the time they don’t even realize how poorly it will be received because they are that drunk on the attention.

Here is a pro tip to the young dumb shits across the globe: if you don’t post about it, you don’t have to defend it with the entire world. Social media is dystopian world that gets its vitality from that old saying “all publicity is good publicity”. But the truth is, that isn’t true. A quiet peaceful life is the life to live, publicity and attention isn’t what it is cracked up to be. Social media is a bunch of horseshit and makes people into assholes.
 

They live now, only in our memories.
 
Sailors surviving the initial blast aboard K-141, the Kursk, could have been rescued had the Russian's opted to ask for help, and that vessel was only 350 ft deep.
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On the brighter note, sailors aboard the USS Squalus were rescued from 240 feet thanks to the ingenuity of Swede Momsen. Efforts are captured in "The Terrible Hours" by Peter Maas. Squalus was salvaged and went on to be re-named Sailfish. The sail of which is a memorial at Portsmouth Naval Shipyard in Kittery, ME.....where I worked for 10 years in a previous life.
 
NukeLDO said:
As a former submariner, carbon fiber composite has no business in deep ocean exploration. Anyone who thought these guys could have been rescued had the submersible not imploded and been sitting on the ocean floor doesn't understand the immense pressure (44 lbs/100 ft) or difficulty of working 2 miles below the surface. Likely only one ROV in the world that could have manipulated a cable onto the vessel to allow it to be pulled up, and only a couple of vessels equipped to haul something up from that deep. The "rescue" effort was a waste of time and money.
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I've read more than once that "pound for pound" carbon fiber is stronger than steel. Are there other reasons why it's not suitable for a submersible? One shortcoming of carbon fiber is that when it fails, it does so instantly and catastrophically, whereas steel may fail incrementally and partially. But if a carbon fiber structure is built to the requisite strength threshold, wouldn't it perform as intended?

As for the rescue effort being a waste of time and money, on the physical effects level, that's true. However I think we all too often overlook the emotional impact an event like this has on many people. Expending the search effort can provide the emotional relief that, "We did everything we possibly could." Was it worth it? Maybe not to you and me, but it probably provides some solace to the friends and families of those who were lost.
 
From what I've seen of the craft, it was a POS that had no business taking anyone subsurface anywhere.... much less to the depths of the Titanic. It looked like something Red Green would have built.

Call me skeptical but the thing had no seating and the "pilot" steered the thing with a video game controller. To pay 250 grand to take the thing underwater was not a wise decision. It's unfortunate that the company was allowed to operate this tourist adventure but they are operating in International waters so there are no equipment and/or safety regulations for such a business.
 
Salmo_g said:
As for the rescue effort being a waste of time and money, on the physical effects level, that's true. However I think we all too often overlook the emotional impact an event like this has on many people. Expending the search effort can provide the emotional relief that, "We did everything we possibly could." Was it worth it? Maybe not to you and me, but it probably provides some solace to the friends and families of those who were lost.
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Plus it is a practice in logistics, big systems need practice....maybe they could practice on the migrants in the Mediterranean, chances of saving folks are probably a lot better
 
Sorry for the families and friends of those lost. I'm all for taking calculated risks to have incredible experiences, and that push the boundaries of knowledge. Neither of those seem to have been possible in this tragedy.
 
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