I remember reading an article on the draft capital utilized on the oline and the Seahawks were up there. Also several oline coaches as well during the time frame.
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Yeah, I was going to mention that, too. Of all teams, Seattle was toward the top in % of draft capital spent on lineman during the Russell Wilson era.
During Wilson's tenure, they drafted one in 2021 and one in 2014. If my math is correct that is two in the entire ten year career of Wilson in Seattle.
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Uh, that's not accurate at all.During Wilson's tenure, they drafted one in 2021 and one in 2014. If my math is correct that is two in the entire ten year career of Wilson in Seattle.
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Carpenter, Britt, Ifedi, Glowinski, Poole, Sokoli, Lewis, Pocic...
and those are just the ones off the top of my head without actually looking it up. Those are all draft picks in the RW era. You have to look up: G, LT, RT, T and C positions.
Edit: Yeah, I only remembered like half of them.
My bad.
Probably because finding someone who could have a chance at blocking for RW is hard. Also seemed to be an effort to keep guys on rookie contracts as good linemen are very, very expensive.
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I heard they’re looking for super wide short olinemen......
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Well it looks to me like finding blockers for Geno is hard as well. Maybe the problem is different than the O line
QB?
Coverage?
Scheme vs coverage?
Shitty coaching?
Same results
Quantity over quality seems to be their MO. A lot of trading down to get more picks. It feels like there is enough film out there on Geno that the league has figured out how to defend him.
Not exactly the same thing right now. With RW, he had a clean pocket to pass in and would run out of it in to a sack (ignoring wide open receivers he could check down to). With Geno, he's barely getting a pocket from his interior line, so before he even has a chance to step up, there's already a free-running defender coming at him. No chance to even checkdown most the time (with some exceptions).
RW would run away from his protection in to sacks, Geno is getting sacks where the protection SHOULD be (at least most of the time). As time goes on though, he's starting to trust his line less and is bailing.
Edit: here's a good take on it:
RW would run away from his protection in to sacks, Geno is getting sacks where the protection SHOULD be (at least most of the time). As time goes on though, he's starting to trust his line less and is bailing.
Edit: here's a good take on it:
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Ya its pretty unfair to compare Geno's one season to Wilson's multiple seasons where we saw the same thing.
Geno has put up amazing numbers considering he's playing with two rookie tackles and a weak as hell interior line. For the life of me I can't understand all the Hawks fans who are so quick to give up on him. For years those same fans said things like "Any other QB than Russ would get destroyed behind this line". Then a QB other than RW comes in, plays his ass off, and when the line play really starts to fall apart suddenly it's all Genos fault. I dunno. Just doesn't make sense to me.
I dont think RW is "done", but I think one thing that has been made abundantly clear is that he needs the right coaches and the right system to succeed. It seems crystal clear to me that Pete and staff did one hell of a coaching job with him all those years. To me that stands out more than his sudden terrible play. I really don't see Peyton wanting to take on that challenge. I think he'll look for an opportunity where he has an established pocket passer or can draft the one he wants.
I think the O line played solid this year considering what they were working with, but no matter how good they've played those are rookie tackles playing one of the tougher positions in the game. Couple that with a weak ass interior line and it's no great shock that it started to catch up with them. Especially playing against some stud defensive lines the last few games.
I used to be one who put the blame on the O line for all the running around RW had to do, but I think it's pretty clear that's not really fair. Remember all the talk when he went to Denver about how he wouldn't be hit there? Hah Right.
Geno has put up amazing numbers considering he's playing with two rookie tackles and a weak as hell interior line. For the life of me I can't understand all the Hawks fans who are so quick to give up on him. For years those same fans said things like "Any other QB than Russ would get destroyed behind this line". Then a QB other than RW comes in, plays his ass off, and when the line play really starts to fall apart suddenly it's all Genos fault. I dunno. Just doesn't make sense to me.
I dont think RW is "done", but I think one thing that has been made abundantly clear is that he needs the right coaches and the right system to succeed. It seems crystal clear to me that Pete and staff did one hell of a coaching job with him all those years. To me that stands out more than his sudden terrible play. I really don't see Peyton wanting to take on that challenge. I think he'll look for an opportunity where he has an established pocket passer or can draft the one he wants.
I think the O line played solid this year considering what they were working with, but no matter how good they've played those are rookie tackles playing one of the tougher positions in the game. Couple that with a weak ass interior line and it's no great shock that it started to catch up with them. Especially playing against some stud defensive lines the last few games.
I used to be one who put the blame on the O line for all the running around RW had to do, but I think it's pretty clear that's not really fair. Remember all the talk when he went to Denver about how he wouldn't be hit there? Hah Right.
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Maybe if DK would learn how to block we might get somewhere
They just want to pull a defender out to cover
If the numbers are there it works if executed
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Fair enough. Carroll is also a constant.
Wilson took his sacks to Denver. Wherever he goes, sacks follow.
Unger, Fant, Ifedi, Britt et al. all went on and were fine linemen elsewhere. I think that Carroll tried to save money on the line knowing that he had to have athletes who could run block. Pass blocking just does not matter much when Wilson is your QB. He is going to get sacked and run around because he just does not throw the ball quickly. This is a constant for him.
He is amongst the slowest to throw the ball again this year. They actually keep track of this stuff.
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When you get around the 2.9-3 second mark, you get sacked.....a lot. He and Deshaun Watson are quite similar. I mean as players. I would not say that Wilson is the sort of person that Watson is. The outlier is that cat in Buffalo. He just can't be taken down so his sack numbers are low. That guy is something else. Mahomes too. But when he got the time to throw number lower, he won a super bowl. Also, Andy Reid.
I don't have much issue with the sacks by themselves. He held the ball forever in Seattle and made big plays too. He threw deeper than most. I do have issue with having his agent moan about the sacks. I also have an issue with him never owning the fact that he holds the ball all day, flees the pocket through the back and generally puts the O-line in a bad spot.
No one is surprised that Seattle has a ton of sacks this year. They start rookie tackles. They will be better.
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