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charles sullivan said:
Tatum has been a lot better than people give hime credit for. He had 25 assists over the 1st 2 games. He was the best player for the C's in Boston, even when shooting poorly. His passing and selfless offense set the tone for the C's in the same way Irving's selfish and lethargic play set the tone for Dallas. Brown is a superstar and has played like one on both ends of the court. Tatum has been just as good, albeit without the flash that Brown has provided. Brown's dunks and blocks stand out every night.
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Through 3 games, Tatum has been shooting 36% overall and 30% from three. Pretty poor, but lucky for them, he knows that pressure isn’t his thing and has developed enough sense to pass.

Pretty boring series though, IMO and IOPO, too
 
SSPey said:
Through 3 games, Tatum has been shooting 36% overall and 30% from three. Pretty poor, but lucky for them, he knows that pressure isn’t his thing and has developed enough sense to pass.

Pretty boring series though, IMO and IOPO, too
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Lakers fan?…
 
Brute said:
Or any other people of like mind…
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I've always believed that basketball shines a light on people's charector traits more than any other sport.
 
Brute said:
Lakers fan?…
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I don't know if SSpey is or isn't a Lakers fan, but he did put up some factual information....until proven otherwise, Tatum shrinks.

Shoot, this entire Boston team for the last 5 years has shrunk in the big moments....until now.

This series is about as exciting for non-Celtics fans as SB 50 was for non-Broncos fans....
 
clarkman said:
so it's not very competitive then....or is it, which is it?

Say what you want about how good this C's team is or has been but up until now, their m.o. has been wilting when it really mattered. I guess there's still time for that, but I can't see it happening.

These finals have been incredibly boring to watch because the games just haven't really been all that close (in spite of Dallas making last night's game a little bit interesting for a short bit).
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What exactly would make you happy with a finals? A game 7? That is only something a non fan of either team would wish for.
As a Celtics fan for longer than you have been alive, a sweep to me is as exciting as it gets. Hope they have room for another banner
 
Brute said:
Lakers fan?…
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Them’s fighting words :LOL: I share Charles Barkley’s opinion on the Lakers.

I like to watch well-contested, interesting games. These finals ain’t that.

There had potential, though. If Boston would just choke a bit, and if the Dallas team that beat Minnesota’s formidable defense for the West had shown up to these finals, it’d be waaay more interesting. Instead Boston is playing up to potential, including above-average play from some inherently good players. Meanwhile Dallas, which had very good defense for the last third of the season after a few key trades, just hasn’t gelled, and Luca’s wizardry is not on full display as he labors with injuries. So the whole thing is kinda “meh” from an entertainment pov.
 
clarkman said:
I don't know if SSpey is or isn't a Lakers fan, but he did put up some factual information....until proven otherwise, Tatum shrinks.

Shoot, this entire Boston team for the last 5 years has shrunk in the big moments....until now.

This series is about as exciting for non-Celtics fans as SB 50 was for non-Broncos fans....
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I think you are selling the C's and Tatum a bit short. They have won some game 7's and Tatum has played well in some.
Tatum had 51 in game seven vs. the 76ers last year and was excellent in the 3 games required to force game 7 against the heat. He played poorly in game 7 as they all did.
They won game 7's against milwaukee and miami the year prior. They were not the equal of a veteran Warrior club.
Overall, the progression has been steady.
 
All I know is at the end of the game I watch Luka storm back to the lockers looking enraged while Kyrie was hugging it up and smiling with some courtside folks. I can't stand Luka's foul grabbing style, but he's a competitor. Mr flat earth doesn't seem to give a crap.

As for the Cs, good D covers up a lot. They are long and quick and play hard on the D end. Even if they are tight and not shooting like they do in the regular season, the D has them covered.

For all the talk about the Warriors offense during their run, they ranked in the top 5 D every year. Even with KD they would have had a hhard time overcoming a mediocre D.
 
charles sullivan said:
I think you are selling the C's and Tatum a bit short. They have won some game 7's and Tatum has played well in some.
Tatum had 51 in game seven vs. the 76ers last year and was excellent in the 3 games required to force game 7 against the heat. He played poorly in game 7 as they all did.
They won game 7's against milwaukee and miami the year prior. They were not the equal of a veteran Warrior club.
Overall, the progression has been steady.
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maybe I am....but I don't think I am (based on what my eyeballs are telling me). I mean, they also lost a game 7 to Miami just last year. Miami had no business even making it that far, let alone beating them last year.

They've been thought of as a top team over the last 4-5 years and yet what have they had to show for it? not much. Tatum has shrunk in the big spots more often than not. Obviously there will be outliers just like any bell curve.

Hem said:
What exactly would make you happy with a finals? A game 7? That is only something a non fan of either team would wish for.
As a Celtics fan for longer than you have been alive, a sweep to me is as exciting as it gets. Hope they have room for another banner
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neato. thanks. That's exactly the point! thanks for making it for me....only exciting if you're a fan of said team specifically (which you' obviously are making you a highly biased opinion on the matter).

the classic, "I've been a fan for xxxx years" is kinda like the, "I've been fishing for xxxxxx years....so I know best" argument. It ultimately doesn't really mean much (seems more like an online flex of sorts). cool. I'm happy for your team that you've been following for 837 years longer than I've been alive.

In all honesty, it's great having a few C's fans come out of the woodwork now that they're finally on the precipice if winning it all for the first time in well over a decade.

Congrats to the C's on a title [soon to be] well earned.
 
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Brute said:
Kyrie is 0-15 against the C’s since he left…
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wait a minute, didn't the C's lose to Kyrie and the Nets a couple of years ago in the playoffs? or am I just dreaming that? Pretty sure this was after Kyrie left...

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Yard Sale said:
All I know is at the end of the game I watch Luka storm back to the lockers looking enraged while Kyrie was hugging it up and smiling with some courtside folks. I can't stand Luka's foul grabbing style, but he's a competitor. Mr flat earth doesn't seem to give a crap.

As for the Cs, good D covers up a lot. They are long and quick and play hard on the D end. Even if they are tight and not shooting like they do in the regular season, the D has them covered.

For all the talk about the Warriors offense during their run, they ranked in the top 5 D every year. Even with KD they would have had a hhard time overcoming a mediocre D.
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clarkman said:
wait a minute, didn't the C's lose to Kyrie and the Nets a couple of years ago in the playoffs? or am I just dreaming that? Pretty sure this was after Kyrie left...

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You are correct…he is only on a losing streak since then…
 
Well, I guess that Tatum and the C's likely won't be able to show how they play well in big games. If they win tonight there will be no game 7's for them in this years playoffs. There will not have been any game 6's either. It's proof that you lay down like a dog in pressure situations when you beat your oponents as swiftly as they have in the playoff's. Those 2 games the C's have lost though tells me that they are weak.

I don't give the C's one ounce of "big game" credit for getting to the finals by winning 2 game 7's including one on the road in the eastern conferance finals. The Celtics best player (Tatum) had a frctured wrist. That gave them too much of an advantage. I do not give Tatum credit for having 51 against the sixers in game 7 witha fractured wrist, nope never, no way. I certainly don't think that these sorts of performances should bbe factored in to the equation.

I do give big negative points for losing to the Nets team that was severely undergunned in 20-21. That Nets team had only Harden, Irving and Durant to score. Surely, Tatum should have been able to carry even if Jaylon Brown was out with a broken wrist. I mean Evan Fournier is a darned good replacement. I think that we should all remember how poorly that the C's and Tatum played in game 7 last year in Miami. I mean you didn't see Steph Curry fold like that in game 7 of the conferance finals in his age 25 season. He came up clutch in his NBA 2K tournament that year during the conferance finals. Good thinghis Warriors lost to the clippers in the 1st round. Otherwise he may have had tired thumbs. That's what being a clutch young player is all about!

Come on. Tatum is 26 yrs old. If the C's win tonight he will have won his 1st title at a youngerage than Curry, Jordan and LeBron. There is no shame in losing to a Juimmy Butler lead Heat team on the road in game & at the age of 25 or losing to a Kevin Durant team at 23. Assuming that the C's win, Tatum will have won 5 playoff game 7's and a title at roughly the same age that Curry had one title and had lost his only game 7. Lebron James had already taken his talents to south beach to chase a ring. Kevin Durant had to team up with Curry in GS at the age of 28 to win a ring. Did all these players wilt in the heat of the playoff spotlight too?

My eyes show me a player(s) and a team that started very young and got progesssively better. Any criticism of them melting down in big games is due to the fact that Tatum played in his 1st eastern conferance final before he could buy a beer. Jaylon Brown has grown up right next to him and is a ripe 27.
 
Dang man, you're putting a little too much into this. Sports does weird things to people...just think though, after tonight, they'll be adding another banner. Preemptive congrats to the C's.
 
clarkman said:
Dang man, you're putting a little too much into this. Sports does weird things to people...just think though, after tonight, they'll be adding another banner. Preemptive congrats to the C's.
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The Mav's should win tonight. If they can't get up with a huge effort tonight, the team has a fundamental flaw.
 
They must've given Luka back his beer prior to this one....

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C's had a tough time with the big lineup. Mavs hid 77 on the wing in a 2-3 zone when they had irving out. He is better defending at the baseline. Kidd did well with that adjustment.
Porzingus fixes both issues. If he can't play 20 minutes, then adjust and force Luka to defend on ball or find another equally as mallable defender.
Kyrie defended tonight. I doubt he will work that hard for 40 minutes in Boston.
He is probably the defender to attack.
 
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