Is hunting to open in National Parks?

Paige

Wishing I was fishing the Sauk
Maybe we should open hunting in DC, just when you think these bozo's couldn't get any more pathetic.

Trump administration lifts restrictions on hunting in national parks, refuges, wilderness areas | AP News https://share.google/4vRZUAtfGvsQCx6bZ
 
Maybe we should open hunting in DC, just when you think these bozo's couldn't get any more pathetic.

Trump administration lifts restrictions on hunting in national parks, refuges, wilderness areas | AP News https://share.google/4vRZUAtfGvsQCx6bZ
Not a very accurate characterization of the article’s content. For example the article says:

“U.S. Department of the Interior Secretary Doug Burgum issued an order in January directing multiple agencies to remove what he termed “unnecessary regulatory or administrative barriers” to hunting and fishing and justify regulations they want to keep in place.”

Nothing has changed yet!

Hunting is currently allowed across about 51 million National Park Service acres spanning 76 sites, although only about 8 million of those acres lie in the contiguous United States with the rest in Alaska, according to the NPS website. Fishing is allowed in 213 sites. NPS sites typically adopt state hunting and fishing regulations although they can impose restrictions that go beyond them to protect public safety and wildlife resources, like prohibiting shooting along a trail or near buildings.”

Hunting on NPS land is not new!
 
“unnecessary regulatory or administrative barriers” to hunting and fishing and justify regulations they want to keep in place.

Lots of regulatory and administrative barriers that should have to be justified in my opinion.
 
Maybe we should open hunting in DC, just when you think these bozo's couldn't get any more pathetic.
The article is written by a journalist that has NO CLUE about public lands and their management and history. It just gets people mad, particularly those without knowledge of public lands.

"Hunting is currently allowed across about 51 million National Park Service acres spanning 76 sites, although only about 8 million of those acres lie in the contiguous United States with the rest in Alaska, according to the NPS website. Fishing is allowed in 213 sites. NPS sites typically adopt state hunting and fishing regulations although they can impose restrictions that go beyond them to protect public safety and wildlife resources, like prohibiting shooting along a trail or near buildings."

They do not. That have much more management authority than the Forest Service or BLM. And they do exercise it, sometimes for good reason.

Full disclosure. I worked for the National Park Service doing a recreational carrying capacity study for a National Recreation Area that they managed. I also lived next door to the Lake Roosevelt National Recreation Area for three years.

I did duck hunt the Lake Roosevelt NRA for ducks while I lived there.

Here is a brief history of "boondocking" or dispersed camping on Federal public lands. Notice that the National Park Service was designed to served the interests of the Elites in this country. The history of Forest Service and BLM lands is different. Worth a quick read on why the agencies are so different.

https://usbackroads.blogspot.com/2010/03/short-history-of-boondocking.html

Here is the my overview of the NPS: https://usbackroads.blogspot.com/2010/12/national-park-service.html

My comment was "The National Parks are famous for their rules and regulations. In many ways the Park Service is the agency of NO. The best mindset for visiting the National Parks is to think of them not as wildlands, but as a museum. A very pretty and large natural history museum in most cases. Walk carefully between the lines, speak softly, and do not use flash and you will be all right."

Unfortunately, Congress decided to let the National Park Service manage National Recreation Areas, and other lands for which they as an agency are ill-suited. When I worked for them, the Rangers and Staff HATED working on National Recreation Areas. They viewed them as National Parks. National Recreation Areas have a mandate to provide recreational opportunities to the public which owns them. The National Parks are there to preserve the natural landscape while ALLOWING for public use.

I really don't know how ANYBODY can think of the Lake Mead National Recreation Area as a National Park.

And it should not be managed by the National Park Service.

Don't worry about hunting inside the National Parks. Not going to happen.

However, the National Parks would like to get rid of fishing inside the parks.

Probably will not happen, but given their history of catering to Elites I could see a nation-wide ban on fishing, except for floating line only, no bobbers, and at the end of the floating line there must be a dry fly. It must not sink below the water line. That will get you a ticket and fine. Use plenty of floatant.

Anyway, the article is much ado about very little. Written by a clueless individual.




 
The article is written by a journalist that has NO CLUE about public lands and their management and history. It just gets people mad, particularly those without knowledge of public lands.

"Hunting is currently allowed across about 51 million National Park Service acres spanning 76 sites, although only about 8 million of those acres lie in the contiguous United States with the rest in Alaska, according to the NPS website. Fishing is allowed in 213 sites. NPS sites typically adopt state hunting and fishing regulations although they can impose restrictions that go beyond them to protect public safety and wildlife resources, like prohibiting shooting along a trail or near buildings."

They do not. That have much more management authority than the Forest Service or BLM. And they do exercise it, sometimes for good reason.

Full disclosure. I worked for the National Park Service doing a recreational carrying capacity study for a National Recreation Area that they managed. I also lived next door to the Lake Roosevelt National Recreation Area for three years.

I did duck hunt the Lake Roosevelt NRA for ducks while I lived there.

Here is a brief history of "boondocking" or dispersed camping on Federal public lands. Notice that the National Park Service was designed to served the interests of the Elites in this country. The history of Forest Service and BLM lands is different. Worth a quick read on why the agencies are so different.

https://usbackroads.blogspot.com/2010/03/short-history-of-boondocking.html

Here is the my overview of the NPS: https://usbackroads.blogspot.com/2010/12/national-park-service.html

My comment was "The National Parks are famous for their rules and regulations. In many ways the Park Service is the agency of NO. The best mindset for visiting the National Parks is to think of them not as wildlands, but as a museum. A very pretty and large natural history museum in most cases. Walk carefully between the lines, speak softly, and do not use flash and you will be all right."

Unfortunately, Congress decided to let the National Park Service manage National Recreation Areas, and other lands for which they as an agency are ill-suited. When I worked for them, the Rangers and Staff HATED working on National Recreation Areas. They viewed them as National Parks. National Recreation Areas have a mandate to provide recreational opportunities to the public which owns them. The National Parks are there to preserve the natural landscape while ALLOWING for public use.

I really don't know how ANYBODY can think of the Lake Mead National Recreation Area as a National Park.

And it should not be managed by the National Park Service.

Don't worry about hunting inside the National Parks. Not going to happen.

However, the National Parks would like to get rid of fishing inside the parks.

Probably will not happen, but given their history of catering to Elites I could see a nation-wide ban on fishing, except for floating line only, no bobbers, and at the end of the floating line there must be a dry fly. It must not sink below the water line. That will get you a ticket and fine. Use plenty of floatant.

Anyway, the article is much ado about very little. Written by a clueless individual.






I would not put anything in the "wont happen bucket" with a traitor in office that does not give a shit about rules, laws or the constitution!
 
Paige.......Just like Obama, Trump has probably never been to a National Park prior to his election.

Give it up. Both those guys have focused on issues other than our public lands.

Chill....
 
Paige.......Just like Obama, Trump has probably never been to a National Park prior to his election.

Give it up. Both those guys have focused on issues other than our public lands.

Chill....


Oh I am chill, you should probably relax though ;)
 
Sweet, let's get the Bozo's to open up fishing year round on all navigable water ways. Don't we.know anyone who likes to fish in the regime?
 
Here's the actual order-

Trout Unlimited and Ducks Unlimited are in support of it.
League of Conservation Voters are not in support of it.

I am in support of new fishing and hunting opportunities, but not in support of how this one is written.

We've been over the lead shot thing for years now. Lead shot around water is dumb. It's been proven over and over it poisons fish and wildlife. I've had to shoot steel at federal hunting grounds for 30 years now..
The fact that the Director has to be given proof that lead shot is bad is just stupid. I get the whole "should be a good reason for the restrictions" thought. The whole should be open as a default and only restricted for special cases. Lead is a special case that is already well understood!!!
Why spend money trying to prove lead will be bad if shot into the Firehole or Madison? We already know it's bad!

I'm pro hunting, but I'm also pro using the science we've already established decades ago. What great problem is this solving? I don't get it.
 
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