Intermediate/clear camo lake lines?

I got around the clear intermediate by using a cortland floater with an integrated 15 ft clear sink tip. This gets me past the damn coiling issue and still allows a slow presentation in shallow water with a clear line and flouro tippet of course.

 
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I use my cortland clear int. with good results. Stretching helps. It coils but does'nt stick to itself and shakes-out as I false cast. My main complaint is that it seems too light and takes several roll cast to get enough line out to cast. I use small beadheads for depth control. Today the bluegill were high in the water column. No countdown needed..
My saltwater intermediate is a Wulff and is a f-ing fantastic fly line..
 
With the Intermediate line’s slow sink, all you have to do is count down until you reach the desired depth. 1 minute = 6.25 feet. Moreover, given the slow sink rate, you’re able to stay in the desired zone longer as you retrieve. However, there are times when a faster sinking line become more useful.
 
With all the different lines with different sink rates, fluoro vs mono, weighted or unweighted or even buoyant flies, indicators, dry/dropper rigs, I can get about anywhere I need to get and stay with a floating line and a sinking line of some sort, which is about all that fit comfortably in my float tube. And I've fished next to Steve, he does just fine with the lines he has.
 
1st: Is there a thread on this subject already? I did a search but didn't find it.

My old camo line came apart this year so I went with the Cortland Clear camo at a modest price. There's a lot to like about this line, but the memory coils are irritating and I don't like the lack of sensitivity on slow retrieves. I have an Airflo hover line (not clear), and I feel every nibble of fish I am missing :)

So, question: Is clear camo really better and which one do you find casts and fishes the best? Thnx, WR
I believe there was an extensive discussion on this topic in the past, but it may have been on the WFF site.

In my opinion, the fish can see a clear line or any fly line just fine. I do think the fish will be less startled by a clear line landing on the water than a brightly colored line, so that's a good reason to use a clear floating line or clear intermediate line. I prefer to use an intermediate line for casting & stripping flies in shallow water because the line sinks below the water surface whereas a floating line sits in the water surface film; when you strip a floating line, the line and knots will create chevrons on the water surface, which I think makes the fish more cautious.

Over the years I've become partial to the RIO Aqualux II clear intermediate line (now discontinued, but can still be found on eBay or other places at a pretty good price now; I recently purchased a half dozen of these lines, so I now should have a lifetime supply). I do stretch the line when I first start fishing the line, but it is usually fine after that for the rest of the day unless it is really cold, in which case I stretch it each time I start using it again. To me, the line has a nice supple feel to it, so it not only casts well, but is easier on the fingers when casting & stripping flies. The line also seem to last a long time before cracking.

I have a RIO Hover line, but it sinks so slowly that the only time I use it is at Rocky Ford, as my clear intermediate line sinks too quickly for that fishery. The RIO Hover line with an unweighted fly or slightly weighted fly seems to work well at RF.

I did try a RIO Aqualux camo intermediate line once, but just didn't like the way it looked. I suspect a fish could see that line just as easily as a clear line, so there was no advantage to using a camo line that I could see.

As for the clear intermediate versus type 3 debate, I like the RIO Aqualux II clear intermediate line for depths down to 7 or 8 feet, and deeper than that I'm using a type 5 or 7, so I've never found a use for a type 3 line, but I'm trying to keep an open mind on the matter so I don't get "unliked". :cautious:

As for fluoro versus mono, I almost always use fluorocarbon leaders and tippets, but I'm usually casting & stripping. For strike indicator fishing, I can see that using a mono tippet might help, as it is more supple and less stiff than fluoro, so that might make it slightly easier for a fish to grab a small chironomid pupa pattern in that vertical presentation. I do feel that fluoro is less visible to the fish and is usually stronger than mono for a given diameter.
 
OK gents...thank you.

I just bought the SA Sonar Stillwater that Pez mentioned. It's a clear camo and claims to be one line weight heavy. It feels more supple than the CCC.


I hope to fish it this week and will report back.
 
OK gents...thank you.

I just bought the SA Sonar Stillwater that Pez mentioned. It's a clear camo and claims to be one line weight heavy. It feels more supple than the CCC.


I hope to fish it this week and will report back.
That’s the line I’ve had for the past several years. I like it. When it fails (I tend to break all my sinking lines eventually) I picked up a Cortland Competition series medium intermediate to try. It’s dark olive colored. 15-20 years ago I had a Cortland ice-blue intermediate that I much preferred to their clear camo …for all the same reasons listed in this thread.
 
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So I fished the SA Stillwater the last two days and do think it's more to my liking than the CCC. It has a more distinct head shape and picks up and casts well plus it is noticably less coily...less memory off the reel. SA sez it's one line size heavy. I bought the 6 wt line and fished it on an older Sage 7 wt and they were a good match.

I was generally fishing pretty slow with pauses and the line stayed pretty straight in the water. Not as much feel as my non-stretch hoverline but AOK.

And the best part was I caught some fish!

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Mission accomplished. Great discussion and thanks for all the input.
 
The point is why would you limit yourself to just a type 3? Is that a good line? You bet under some circumstances. But so too is an intermediate. And there are plenty of circumstances where an intermediate will out fish a type 3. And the reverse is true to although I think less often.

Still have both in your arsenal.
My 'arsenal' is hufrickingmongus! I'm a sucker for purchasing the best possible rod with the best possible line with the best possible leader with the best possible clothes on....and have learned that not catching every fish possible is still very enjoyable and less hectic than bringing extra spools with me every time I hit a lake. Sometimes its just nice to kick back in a float tube and strip a little faster and go after only the aggressive fish....
Can you use an intermediate with a bobber.....? I've never seen Steve stripping line...just sayin... : )
 
The point is why would you limit yourself to just a type 3? Is that a good line? You bet under some circumstances. But so too is an intermediate. And there are plenty of circumstances where an intermediate will out fish a type 3. And the reverse is true to although I think less often.

Still have both in your arsenal.
Remember how Luke revered Obi-Wan.
Just saying, Bambooflyguy ain't Luke. If he fishes with type III line it's because he catches one hell of a lot of fish with it.
 
Remember how Luke revered Obi-Wan.
Just saying, Bambooflyguy ain't Luke. If he fishes with type III line it's because he catches one hell of a lot of fish with it.
Which has zero to do with my point of limiting yourself to one fly line. But if you think any one fly line is all you need for the fishing you do then by all means save the coin and don't have multiple setups. For me, I will continue to have multiple rigs because I catch "one hell of a lot of fish with them." LOL
 
Think Bambooflyguy's point was using an intermediate line is less effective than a full sink line.
I certainly have given up on the intermediate lines for full sink lines. I personally use floating lines to target fish down to 15ft(ish) instead of using intermediate lines and then switch to type III when the targets are deeper.
Don't recall him saying anything about not using multiple setups.
 
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