Fourbtgait
Life of the Party
Add in getting rid of people modifying diesel pickups to roll coal or just for quest of more power
NFR Horrifying dementia cluster in Canada
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Here’s a gift article link
www.nytimes.com
They All Got Mysterious Brain Diseases. They’re Fighting to Learn Why.
Doctors in Canada have identified dozens of patients with similar, unexplained symptoms — a scientific puzzle that has now become a political maelstrom.
Dustin Chromers
Legend
Rolling coal is as stupid as it gets. However much of the diesel modification is overcoming and deleting the emissions equipment that makes a vehicle totally unreliable. The United States military knows this and that's why they made a large order of diesel trucks and passenger rigs from Ford without any emissions equipment. It would be interesting to study health related issues in Europe where emissions on diesel vehicles are not prevalent and diesel motors are more common in passenger class vehicles.
After reading the source article I'm just really happy we have regulations and agencies in place that are protecting us from corpostate Health abuses likes those in Canada. The transparency and efficacy of our regulating agencies in food and drug are second to none. The health of the average American is testament to their effective and necessary work as is the wide prescription drug epidemic. It's a good thing regulators don't go to work for these large corporations and have conflicted interests. Thank God we have a system that puts the health of the population as a central value.
fatbillybob
Steelhead
In life its pick your poison. I drive to the grocery store spewing gasoline or diesel pollutants or an EV that just polluted someone's else's neighborhood in battery production. All the fruit I buy was sprayed with some pesticide. Every burger I eat came from some cow on antibiotics. The pork sausage is considered ultra-processed and that's not healthy either. I can bake healthy bread without preservatives but it only lasts a day before becoming a brick without the polysorbate 80 mono sodium formaldehyde preservatives, and the electricity used to bake the bread came from burning fossil fuels. I'm going to go fishing on the beach now with a rubber swim bait or lucky craft 110 lure both probably have petroleum products in them and use 12lb. Mono that won't degrade for a 1000 years and kills and entangles wildlife if left as scrape in the wild.
regulations that are deemed excessive by some can be life savers for others
the EU went to Ultra Low Sulpur Diesel before us... having decided ULSD was more environmentally friendly than gas, they established a tax structure in which diesel cost per liter at the pump was less expensive than gas. When I was managing projects in the Scandinavia countries, every car or SUV rental I drove was diesel and they were both quiet and clean, the EU manufacturers having really dialed in diesel engine technology.
As to pick your poison...so if every room in your house is dirty you should leave it that way, vs cleaning up one room at a time?
Dustin Chromers
Legend
Thank you for the informative reply. This answers my question as to why diesel was not adopted as such here as it is in Europe. Small diesels that I've been exposed to domestically got insane mileage and lasted forever. I look at efficiency and longevity as a key component of being easier on the planet.
fatbillybob
Steelhead
I do not understand your point? You mentioned diesel and negative health. All I'm saying is there are lots of things killing us a little everyday. I tow my racecar around with a 4x4 (ultralow emission california) diesel truck. It's also how I get off road to the rivers and fish. I don't worry about a diesel death anymore than I worry about getting eaten by a shark while surfing. As long as people are on the planet we are going to make things suck faster than we unsuck them.
Flymph
Life of the Party
About 3.7 million people worldwide died in 2012 from diseases related to ambient air pollution? That is nearly the population of the city of Los Angeles expiring every year from preventable causes.
When you combine death-by-smog with deaths related to exposure to dirty indoor air, contaminated land and unsafe water, the grand total of deaths from all pollution sources climbs to almost 9 million deaths each year, worldwide. That’s more than 1 in 7 deaths and makes pollution deadlier than malnutrition.
Your "posions" are indeed part of the problem as are mine. Nevertheless, there are partial and sometimes complete solutions to all the poisons you mentioned. "Inaciton" just might be our greatest threat!
this...
And yet the population soars. No matter how you try to kill us, we just keep screwing our way out of it.
World Population Clock: 8.2 Billion People (LIVE, 2024) - Worldometer
How many people are there in the world? World population has reached 8 billion on November 15, 2022 according to the United Nations. World population live counter with data sheets, graphs, maps, and census data regarding the current, historical, and future world population figures, estimates...
www.worldometers.info
fatbillybob
Steelhead
It's not really preventable death because you can't do things like wave a magic wand and ICE is replaced by EV. At best you see incremental change like with diesel pre-2007 it was like anything goes. 2008-2012 got advanced catalytic converters with particulate filters and EGR. 2013+ we got urea after treatment. But that isn't free. To go the same distance we pollute the air less but use more fossil fuel making more green house gas to get there because emission controls might cost around 5mpg. If washington stopped diphenylamine-coating apples the reduction in crop would drive the price of apples to insane levels and cost washington jobs. Add that to 3rd world country pollution on the way to becoming 1st world. Anyone here eat aqua farmed salmon for example that is creating local pollution and damage to ecosystems? Like I said earlier as long as people are on the planet we are going to make things suck faster than we unsuck them.
Wayne Kohan
Life of the Party
But that is using an "all or none" though process. Just because EV batteries cause some environmental issues does not mean that it causes as much issues. Your logic is that the only thing that should replace diesel fuel is something that is perfectly planet friendly. Certainly anything that pollutes less is worth investing in. To me it is like the arguments against wind power, since we can't 100% rely on the power generation then we shouldn't pursue it, but if we can use wind energy to offset a percentage of coal burning plants, then maybe it makes sense.
Wayne Kohan
Life of the Party
But as a retired physician, I am devastated that the Canadian government has not stepped in to continue their own study on these patients, though I have no clue how the Canadian health system or governments function. The Canadian Medical Society should be all over this as well.
Flymph
Life of the Party
Overpopulation is certainly at the top of the list as a direct link to all forms of pollution. But saying pollution is not preventable is simply not true. Is it a tough road but possible. I fully understand the down sides that you have pointed out but that can't let us stop trying to adjust and improve. Here are a few things that are being done to combat various pollution forms.
One obvious but effective strategy to cut down emissions is to phase out fossil fuels. Shifting to renewables is a long and complicated process that requires global coordination and collaboration.
The US has implemented strategies to hold power plants accountable for their pollution. For example, in March 2022, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) unveiled the “"Good Neighbor Plan" to cut interstate smog pollution from power stations by requiring them to operate their pollution control equipment and keep their daily emissions under a pre-established limit.
Transport accounts for 8 billion tons – or approximately one-fifth – of global carbon dioxide emissions. According to the EPA, there are three methods to reduce greenhouse gas emissions from transportation. The first is to increase the efficiency of vehicle technology. A good start – according to a report by the United Naitons – is developing weight reduction and improvements to engines and tires that can make vehicles more fuel-efficient, reduce their reliance on oil, and cut expenses.
One of the most important technologies we have to decarbonize the transport sector is electric vehicles (EV). Significant progress has been made in this industry and costs of batteries have decreased by 90% in recent years. EV companies are building a much more sustainable supply chain by improving the efficiency and lifespan of batteries, researching a way to build them using other resources as well as recycling old batteries to reuse raw materials.
We can lower transportation’s carbon footprint by changing how we travel – for example, opting for public transport and car-sharing – as well as how we transport goods around the world. Emissions from the global supply chain have reached historic heights. In 2020, the shipping and return of products within the e-commerce industry alone accounted for 337% of total GHG emissions, attributing to the unsustainable habits of modern consumers and their appetite for convenience. The shipping industry is rethinking the means of transport, for example by prioritizing rail and marine vessels over truck drivers.
Emissions can also be reduced by using fuels with a minimal carbon footprint such as biofuels, renewable natural gas, hydrogen as well as sustainable aviation fuel. Lastly, it is the governments’ job to implement tighter fuel and vehicle emission standards.
Recent data from the Food and Drug Admin. shows that 31% of human-caused GHG emissions originate from the world’s agri-food systems. From the 16.5 tonnes generated in 2019, the largest share – 7.2 billion tonnes – came from within the farm gate, 5.8 billion tonnes from the supply-chain processes, while 3.5 billion tonnes from land use change.
Thus, efforts to address the exploitation of resources like land and water as well as the promotion of sustainable agriculture are among the most crucial steps in air pollution prevention. A big issue related to soil depletion is the excessive use of fertilizers. Switching to nitrate-based solutions can be one of the easiest fixes in reducing farms’ impact on air pollution. Israel has made incredible technological advances and managed to reduce the overconsumtion of water by using drip irrigaiton, a system that delivers water and nutrients directly into the plant’s root through pipes. The technology is now being used in some African countries as well, thanks to funding from the World Bank. Lastly, countries like Australia have found ways to reduce agricultural methane emissions from farming by modifying the diets of animals.
I could go on but just want to make it understood that we can't just say "life sucks and than you die"! It's more of, "if there is a will there is a way" and lots of folks are trying and "succeeding" to make change.
One obvious but effective strategy to cut down emissions is to phase out fossil fuels. Shifting to renewables is a long and complicated process that requires global coordination and collaboration.
The US has implemented strategies to hold power plants accountable for their pollution. For example, in March 2022, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) unveiled the “"Good Neighbor Plan" to cut interstate smog pollution from power stations by requiring them to operate their pollution control equipment and keep their daily emissions under a pre-established limit.
Transport accounts for 8 billion tons – or approximately one-fifth – of global carbon dioxide emissions. According to the EPA, there are three methods to reduce greenhouse gas emissions from transportation. The first is to increase the efficiency of vehicle technology. A good start – according to a report by the United Naitons – is developing weight reduction and improvements to engines and tires that can make vehicles more fuel-efficient, reduce their reliance on oil, and cut expenses.
One of the most important technologies we have to decarbonize the transport sector is electric vehicles (EV). Significant progress has been made in this industry and costs of batteries have decreased by 90% in recent years. EV companies are building a much more sustainable supply chain by improving the efficiency and lifespan of batteries, researching a way to build them using other resources as well as recycling old batteries to reuse raw materials.
We can lower transportation’s carbon footprint by changing how we travel – for example, opting for public transport and car-sharing – as well as how we transport goods around the world. Emissions from the global supply chain have reached historic heights. In 2020, the shipping and return of products within the e-commerce industry alone accounted for 337% of total GHG emissions, attributing to the unsustainable habits of modern consumers and their appetite for convenience. The shipping industry is rethinking the means of transport, for example by prioritizing rail and marine vessels over truck drivers.
Emissions can also be reduced by using fuels with a minimal carbon footprint such as biofuels, renewable natural gas, hydrogen as well as sustainable aviation fuel. Lastly, it is the governments’ job to implement tighter fuel and vehicle emission standards.
Recent data from the Food and Drug Admin. shows that 31% of human-caused GHG emissions originate from the world’s agri-food systems. From the 16.5 tonnes generated in 2019, the largest share – 7.2 billion tonnes – came from within the farm gate, 5.8 billion tonnes from the supply-chain processes, while 3.5 billion tonnes from land use change.
Thus, efforts to address the exploitation of resources like land and water as well as the promotion of sustainable agriculture are among the most crucial steps in air pollution prevention. A big issue related to soil depletion is the excessive use of fertilizers. Switching to nitrate-based solutions can be one of the easiest fixes in reducing farms’ impact on air pollution. Israel has made incredible technological advances and managed to reduce the overconsumtion of water by using drip irrigaiton, a system that delivers water and nutrients directly into the plant’s root through pipes. The technology is now being used in some African countries as well, thanks to funding from the World Bank. Lastly, countries like Australia have found ways to reduce agricultural methane emissions from farming by modifying the diets of animals.
I could go on but just want to make it understood that we can't just say "life sucks and than you die"! It's more of, "if there is a will there is a way" and lots of folks are trying and "succeeding" to make change.
fatbillybob
Steelhead
I'm not saying that at all. All I'm saying there is no free lunch. Last month remember the big windpower thing that blew up in nantucket and polluted the beaches so they had to be shut down? And what about all the birds that get killed by the propellers? There is always a push pull and the direction taken is not always clear yet it is perfectly clear to those with that agenda. We lay people get advertised to by the two sides trying to mobilize support. Are we always supporting the correct side? Aqua farming sounds like a great idea until we look at the eco damage and irreparable damage to the wild gene pool from escapement. Anyone who fishes a river with wild and hatchery steelhead know which fish they prefer to catch.
fatbillybob
Steelhead
Don't forget what we give up for the convenience of our cell phones.
wanderingrichard
Life of the Party
Well, at least the aviation support industry has been working towards cleaning up their side of the equation. How many here have read the articles about bio engineered renewable aviation fuel for the turbo fans that power most large passenger aircraft these days? Has not seen a lot of adoption yet, but only because it's in its infancy.
wanderingrichard
Life of the Party
Agree with the sarcasm, Dustin.
Something to note, Ford hasn't been a top tier selection for USG when it comes to diesel burning power units for a long time. That's been a seat that's dominated by GM in the form of Detroit Diesel, Allison, and GMD. (Light to heavy duty trucks) Add in Perkins for watercraft, Cummins and Caterpillar for combat vehicles. Even with "modern' electronic controls on the last 2, they still get the NSE for emission controls.