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What is amazing to me living in california with a mountain of environmental restrictions that effect me every day while our state government is hostile to fossil fuel industry causing them to leave the state. Our state government's answer is to import 40% of our oil from the east coast via the panama canal! Please tell me how this is a better solution with less pollution than driving out our oil and gas industry?


Then we have the largest sewage spill in US history on the potomac river and the government slow walking a repair!

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/17/climate/potomac-river-trump-moore.html


Then we got Ivanpah...
www.instituteforenergyresearch.org

California Shuts Down Its Solar Thermal Plant 13 Years Early

The Ivanpah Solar Power Facility is set to shut down in 2026 after failing to meet its energy targets. Ivanpah…
www.instituteforenergyresearch.org


Yet these guys want to take away straws and mandate diesel style "gasoline particulate filters" to yank more money right out of your pocket. We need common sense "green management."
 
My desktop weather reports have an AQI index. Been really excellent even though I have a freeway to the east of me. If I stick my head out the patio sliding door, I can hear the traffic on it. Still the air quality is good to excellent. Makes me wonder if the people on Facebook who claim that chemtrails are real have issues.
 
fatbillybob said:
What is amazing to me living in california with a mountain of environmental restrictions that effect me every day while our state government is hostile to fossil fuel industry causing them to leave the state. Our state government's answer is to import 40% of our oil from the east coast via the panama canal! Please tell me how this is a better solution with less pollution than driving out our oil and gas industry?


Then we have the largest sewage spill in US history on the potomac river and the government slow walking a repair!

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/17/climate/potomac-river-trump-moore.html


Then we got Ivanpah...
www.instituteforenergyresearch.org

California Shuts Down Its Solar Thermal Plant 13 Years Early

The Ivanpah Solar Power Facility is set to shut down in 2026 after failing to meet its energy targets. Ivanpah…
www.instituteforenergyresearch.org


Yet these guys want to take away straws and mandate diesel style "gasoline particulate filters" to yank more money right out of your pocket. We need common sense "green management."
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FASCINATING! I didn't remember the Ivanpah "project" so I read part of your linked article and looked at some images. Mindboggling to say the least.

Here in the Columbia (River) Basin, we've been "blessed" with abundant (and inexpensive) hydro electricity. Twenty years ago (before AI, before crypto, before data mining) the dams had lots of surplus power which their power managers marketed to the grid. Fast forward to now. There are nine (9) solar generating sites on the books. Nine! The utilities energy demands exceed their capacity. At least two of these sites are under construction. New transmission lines and substations are being built and then there's the popular imminent domain to provide a path for improved transmission capacity.

The local electric utility is looking at gas turbines to supplement their insufficient load requirements. During that same time frame that funded Ivanpah, there was a push to construct diesel generating stations. One local mint farmer went through the process of submitting plans for construction and was paid handsomely not to build (could that have been a M.B. scam?) whereas the utility went through with construction of a diesel generating station on their own dime (which became a hazardous waste site and is now a gravel pit). I don't now if those eight or ten diesel generators were ever utilized and synced to the grid.

A new color to the conversation on good news/bad news is "brown". Will this be the winter or summer of brown outs? Tsk, tsk Buzzy, we've got all those eco-friendly green wind generators, which, like Ivanpah, are super bird friendly and uber reliable to the grid.
 
JudyM said:
My desktop weather reports have an AQI index. Been really excellent even though I have a freeway to the east of me. If I stick my head out the patio sliding door, I can hear the traffic on it. Still the air quality is good to excellent. Makes me wonder if the people on Facebook who claim that chemtrails are real have issues.
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Some reporting misspelled the descriptor long ago when it should have been spelled contrails which is short for condensation. Golly maybe it was a Hollywood scfi disaster film theme that just went sideways.

Spelling is fundamental.
Hope I spelled that right?
 
fatbillybob said:
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U.S. government will uphold and defend decisions to block Pebble Mine - Wild Salmon Center

The Trump Administration will defend Bristol Bay, America’s greatest salmon fishery.
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The Pebble Case: A Structural Test for US Critical Minerals Development

The Pebble Case: A Structural Test for US Critical Minerals Development
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"In a press release on Wednesday, Northern Dynasty president and chief executive Ron Thiessen said it is “surprising” that despite the executive orders and many statements made by the Trump administration in support of Alaskan development and its critical minerals, the EPA would choose to defend the veto."

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fatbillybob said:
wildsalmoncenter.org

U.S. government will uphold and defend decisions to block Pebble Mine - Wild Salmon Center

The Trump Administration will defend Bristol Bay, America’s greatest salmon fishery.
wildsalmoncenter.org wildsalmoncenter.org
www.ainvest.com

The Pebble Case: A Structural Test for US Critical Minerals Development

The Pebble Case: A Structural Test for US Critical Minerals Development
www.ainvest.com www.ainvest.com
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From the second article:

"The case, therefore, crystallizes a central tension for the nation. Can the U.S. build a modern, resilient economy while also safeguarding its most critical environmental assets? The outcome will set a precedent for how the country balances these competing demands. A ruling upholding the veto would validate a powerful regulatory tool, potentially making future large-scale mining projects far more vulnerable to environmental objections. Conversely, a reversal would signal a decisive shift toward prioritizing resource development, even in ecologically sensitive areas. For investors and policymakers, the resolution of this case will be a key indicator of the regulatory environment for critical minerals for years to come."

They're asking the wrong question by assuming that building a modern, resilient economy is achievable only by developing a massive open pit mine. The more salient question is can a massive open pit mine be developed within a valuable sensitive environmental asset, like Bristol Bay, when such mine developments have a 100% track record of contaminating their surrounding environments? When the mining industry brings an example of a "clean" mine to the table, then maybe we can have that discussion. Until then, the negative environmental costs are a given. Would this be akin to Trump's "clean coal?"
 
Brian Miller said:
"In a press release on Wednesday, Northern Dynasty president and chief executive Ron Thiessen said it is “surprising” that despite the executive orders and many statements made by the Trump administration in support of Alaskan development and its critical minerals, the EPA would choose to defend the veto."

🎶 "Celebrate! Celebrate! Dance to the music!" 🎶 🎉🎊🎇🎆🎉
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Imagine that Republican Trump supporting the environment. I guess the sky isn't falling? Regardless of politics we need sensible management.
 
I thought this site was a respite from politics. Our days are inundated by primarily diarrhea explosions . I like having a politics free zone online. What happened? Recently it is here. I have very strong opinions. But a place to hide out as it has been since this escape hatch was opened and the great migration occurred has been nonpolitical and very welcome.

Yes I can choose not to read it. That is a credo we all are familiar with because we know we can not manage everything.
 
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Hopefully we can keep any sort of politics away (a long ways away) from this place.....that said, that's great news that the decision to continue blocking Pebble Mine has been upheld.
 
You guys know the rules. Locking this thread because this is why we can't have nice things.

If like anyone involved above to do a refresher on the forum etiquette.
 
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