Fusion

[Yard Sale]

In a portion of the reaction. Which is good, which I have said is good. I'm disparaging the scientific "journalists" that are manipulating the experiment
to be better then what it is by ommiting pertinent information. There was not net energy made if you take into account the amount of supporting energy it took to make the experiment possible. Just be truthful and genuine, that's all. Manipulating data to preserve one's funding or gain public support in the scientific community has been going on a long time. Take any industry, like tobacco for example. Isn't the very basis of 'science' being skeptical? And testing others experiments?

I don't know where you get your news from but everything I heard(their press conference) and read absolutely calls out that they didn't create net energy. I heard it on NPR and their first questions were is it scalable and how long until they can do that. The answers were quite honest. Yes, but it will be decades.

But they did do something that we weren't even sure was possible last week. We should rightly celebrate that.

 

[Anonymous member 148]

I don't know where you get your news from but everything I heard(their press conference) and read absolutely calls out that they didn't create net energy. I heard it on NPR and their first questions were is it scalable and how long until they can do that. The answers were quite honest. Yes, but it will be decades.

But they did do something that we weren't even sure was possible last week. We should rightly celebrate that.

CBS

 

[Anonymous member 148]

Ozymandias

Near them, on the sand, Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown, And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command, Tell that its sculptor well those…

www.poetryfoundation.org

I like this, definitely my style.

 

[Canuck from Kansas]

Cool, but they are cooking the books like usual, probably to get more research grant moneys...

I don't disagree that sometimes the science journalism is left wanting, largely because they are trying to get a headline so people will read, but that's not the scientists, and the notion of cooking the books to get grant money is rather offensive. I spent years applying for and receiving grants, from the NIH, DoD and other agencies, but more importantly spent many many hours reviewing grant applications and sitting on review panels. This "cooking the books" for grant money is a myth from those who have never looked at a grant application, let alone had the wherewithal to read and critique one.

cheers

 

[Anonymous member 148]

I don't disagree that sometimes the science journalism is left wanting, largely because they are trying to get a headline so people will read, but that's not the scientists, and the notion of cooking the books to get grant money is rather offensive. I spent years applying for and receiving grants, from the NIH, DoD and other agencies, but more importantly spent many many hours reviewing grant applications and sitting on review panels. This "cooking the books" for grant money is a myth from those who have never looked at a grant application, let alone had the wherewithal to read and critique one.

cheers

I have "tweaked" the truth on a few grant applications to get my desired outcome, it happens.

*business aps because they were racist, but still, it happens when your trying to sell yourself.

 

[smc]

I have "tweaked" the truth on a few grant applications to get my desired outcome, it happens.

…you can get Honeycrisp apples for the price of Fuji or whatever else is on sale, just memorize the 4 digit code and punch it in at self checkout, boom .99 cent Honeycrisps. Yes I know this is technically stealing...

no doubt

 

[Mossback]

I have "tweaked" the truth on a few grant applications to get my desired outcome, it happens.

*business aps because they were racist, but still, it happens when your trying to sell yourself.

You also claim to steal from grocery stores (because of self serve checkouts), so it's becoming clear that you're sort of an ethical wasteland...definitely part of the problem, so to speak.

 

[Anonymous member 148]

You also claim to steal from grocery stores (because of self serve checkouts), so it's becoming clear that you're sort of an ethical wasteland...definitely part of the problem, so to speak.

I'm at peace with myself. I have the respect of those that matter to me. Sometimes I steal an apple, sometimes I switch the ownership of our business from 50/50 to 51/49 so we can get a grant for women and/or people of color . I'm just trying to play the devils advocate and get people to be more skeptical here, like media puffing up this fusion story. Now enough about me, back to FUSION.

 

[SilverFly]

Good news but still a very long way from connecting to the grid. This was a significant step, but huge hurdles remain.

That said, having seen some mind-blowing advances made in the semiconductor industry over the last 30 years, I wouldn't rule it out. Specifically, the quote about accurately targeting "thousands upon thousands of pellets" made me think of the existing technology being used to pattern cutting edge microchips.

An experiment like the one at Livermore, in which one tiny pellet was vaporized by 192 laser beams, is one thing, but a power plant that rapidly vaporizes thousands upon thousands of pellets and safely draws off the released energy for conversion into electricity is quite another. That’s not to say it can’t be done, it will just take time. Lots of time.

Without going too far down the rabbit hole, this process requires a very short-wavelength light which is produced by vaporizing tiny droplets of molten tin with a powerful laser. This is done with extreme precision and speed. These droplets are very small, uniform and are ionized by the laser at the rate of 50K per second in a vacuum chamber.

ASML is the only company making the $200 million machines needed to print every advanced microchip. Here's an inside look

ASML is the only manufacturer of EUV lithography machines, which revolutionized semiconductors. Here's an inside look at the company relied on by chipmakers.

www.cnbc.com

Granted, that's just one technical hurdle, but this crazy laser targeting shit already works to make your cell phone. So, in theory, it shouldn't be the limiting factor in a nuclear power plant.

 

[Mukman]

I'm at peace with myself. I have the respect of those that matter to me. Sometimes I steal an apple, sometimes I switch the ownership of our business from 50/50 to 51/49 so we can get a grant for women and/or people of color . I'm just trying to play the devils advocate and get people to be more skeptical here, like media puffing up this fusion story. Now enough about me, back to FUSION.

Nicely done. That could have easily gone TILT.

 

[wanderingrichard]

As my oldest friend said today when he called me about this "Follow the Money"

 

[wanderingrichard]

technology never stops advancing.
200 years ago we rode this
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a 100 years ago we drove this:
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today we can drive this:
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a hundred years from now this should be in the bag, and fusion ubiquitous

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In the 60's, we were promised that last one in 2000.
So where are our flying cars?!

 

[Canuck from Kansas]

In the 60's, we were promised that last one in 2000.
So where are our flying cars?!

Just around the corner (but I want my jetpack)

Alef Aeronautics receives a $105 million pre-order for 350 flying cars

This is the largest order in history for flying cars with driving and vertical takeoff.

www.einnews.com

cheers

 

[SurfnFish]

considering how so many folks seem incapable of driving the streets with the most basic of skill and courtesy, imagine the chaos of a sky full of privately driven cars...not to mention the sport some on the ground might find on the 'low buzzers' with their 3 1/2" waterfowl guns..

 

[Long_Rod_Silvers]

This "cooking the books" for grant money is a myth from those who have never looked at a grant application, let alone had the wherewithal to read and critique one.

cheers

You're saying these reports are incorrect?

Case Summary: Jiang, Janina | ORI - The Office of Research Integrity

Janina Jiang, M.D., Ph.D., University of California, Los Angeles: Based on the report of an investigation conducted by the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA) and additional analysis conducted by the Office of Research Integrity (ORI) in its oversight review, ORI found that Janina...

ori.hhs.gov

UCLA researcher found guilty of misconduct

Scientist sanctioned for faking data and stealing money intended for subjects

www.the-scientist.com

Science | AAAS

www.science.org

 

[Canuck from Kansas]

You're saying these reports are incorrect?

Case Summary: Jiang, Janina | ORI - The Office of Research Integrity

Janina Jiang, M.D., Ph.D., University of California, Los Angeles: Based on the report of an investigation conducted by the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA) and additional analysis conducted by the Office of Research Integrity (ORI) in its oversight review, ORI found that Janina...

ori.hhs.gov

UCLA researcher found guilty of misconduct

Scientist sanctioned for faking data and stealing money intended for subjects

www.the-scientist.com

Science | AAAS

www.science.org

There are cases found, yes, but this is not wide spread as the as the original poster suggest "cooking the books like usual", these are exceptions and as you just showed, are rooted out.

 

[Doublebluff]

I write a fair amount of research proposals. Putting non-truths or "cooking the books" in such a document is pretty much unheard of in my biz. The NIH is very clear about what will happen to people in such a situation. The ORI case summaries are excellent examples of how such activities are dealt with. I make my students (and myself) read these ORI postings to see how errors in judgement can lead to serious consequences.

 

[Long_Rod_Silvers]

There are cases found, yes, but this is not wide spread as the as the original poster suggest "cooking the books like usual", these are exceptions and as you just showed, are rooted out.

That makes sense. Your quote made it sound like it's a myth, period.

 

[Long_Rod_Silvers]

I write a fair amount of research proposals. Putting non-truths or "cooking the books" in such a document is pretty much unheard of in my biz. The NIH is very clear about what will happen to people in such a situation. The ORI case summaries are excellent examples of how such activities are dealt with. I make my students (and myself) read these ORI postings to see how errors in judgement can lead to serious consequences.

Looks like the NIH still gives out grant money to those found guilty of research misconduct.

Science | AAAS

www.science.org

 

[Doublebluff]

They looked over 25 years and 17 out of 284 sanctioned individuals got new funding. Many of the punishments have a finite length. Otherwise, I won't dispute the article and agree it is indicting to the system, at least up to 2017.