I've been diggin' the umpqua xs420 as a trout / salmon hook lately, the point length and angle hold fish waaay better than most "trout streamer" hooks on the market
Yeah I've been tying a bunch on those and the 860. The 860 is a bit lighter wire (still heavier than the B10S) and a wider gap than both. But both the 811 and 860 have nice wide gaps. Both barbless too. Both have a longer shank than the B10S to the point @clarkman made. I'd recommend them @Stonedfish with the caveat that I haven't actually fished them yet.