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So, we will eventually switch to electric vehicles. The manufacturers are already planning to do that. Some plan to make nothing but EVs in the future.

The elephant in the room that everyone is ignoring is where does the power to charge the vehicles come from? Are we simply removing one source of power that is costing us a fortune to replace it with another? Some want to remove the dams that produce electrical power. Won't those dams be required to charge the EVs? Will fueling stations be replaced by charging stations that eventually start charging us $$$ to plug in the vehicles? Will the price to charge your EV go up and down just as it does now to fill your vehicle with fuel?

If the demand for electrical power goes up, the price for that power will also go up. ... which would also include the power they sell us for our homes, stores and factories.
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We already get charged for public charging stations, and it really depends on where you live as to whether you get a traditional filling station format, like the Puyallup tribe uses at its TAHOMA stores or the free public charging at places like some Walgreens.
Yes, we will need to generate more electricity. How, don't know, yet.
Do dams need to come down? In some cases, yes. Now, what do we replace them with to generate additional power? Solar power "farms" are extremely expensive, and only have a limited impact. Nuclear? Wave 🌊 induction?

A combination of different technologies will probably be the answer, but at some point , we are going to have to bite the big bullet and commit to making it work while not waiting on handouts from the government to get moving.

I see a lot of opportunity for new business growth in the near future. We definitely need to invest heavily in our kids and STEM education. It also means leaving antiquated technology and business practices behind and adopting as needed to developments.

Again, its up to us to move forward without waiting on the government. I think that approach is holding us back.
 
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GAT said:
So, we will eventually switch to electric vehicles. The manufacturers are already planning to do that. Some plan to make nothing but EVs in the future.

The elephant in the room that everyone is ignoring is where does the power to charge the vehicles come from? Are we simply removing one source of power that is costing us a fortune to replace it with another? Some want to remove the dams that produce electrical power. Won't those dams be required to charge the EVs? Will fueling stations be replaced by charging stations that eventually start charging us $$$ to plug in the vehicles? Will the price to charge your EV go up and down just as it does now to fill your vehicle with fuel?

If the demand for electrical power goes up, the price for that power will also go up. ... which would also include the power they sell us for our homes, stores and factories.
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this is what the electrical pilot program I'm on from my PUD is about, you get a reduced rate if you don't use power at the peak time 7am-9:30am & 5pm -9pm, I work between 2pm -10:30pm ,so it's easy for me to not use much power during peak hours. so far my power bill has been vastly reduced because of this trial pilot program. I suspect at some point the power bill will reflect different rate for use during peak times. they installed some kind of high tech power meter for this test program.
 
Don't forget, if you're curious or worried about excessive eletrical use you can always buy one of these and put it where you think the drain might be:

BN-LINK LCD Plug in Power Energy Meter Voltage Amps Electricity Usage Monitor Digital LCD Display Wall Socket Outlet,Power Consumption Monitor, 7 Display Modes for Energy Saving, Watt Meter https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XH73LJ...t_i_0AKFQS5YZS77AJYQC94D?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

Personally own the Kill A,Watt version and its not only assisted in tracking my charging expenses at home, it also helped identify a power fault that was built into the house back in '05 at time of construction. Something that got missed during the VA home inspection when we bought the place.
 
bennysbuddy said:
this is what the electrical pilot program I'm on from my PUD is about, you get a reduced rate if you don't use power at the peak time 7am-9:30am & 5pm -9pm, I work between 2pm -10:30pm ,so it's easy for me to not use much power during peak hours. so far my power bill has been vastly reduced because of this trial pilot program. I suspect at some point the power bill will reflect different rate for use during peak times. they installed some kind of high tech power meter for this test program.
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This kind of peak/off peak metering has been standard in many parts of the world for decades. It will definitely be part of the future here. EV batteries effectively become storage for excess power produced at off peak times. They possibly might even be able to be used to provide power back to the grid when necessary.
 
Looks like battery warranties are 8 yrs/100,000 miles minimum. Lots of fine print - be sure to read and understand.

As someone else commented battery replacement is expensive ($8k - $10k)

Our family drives our cars/trucks more than 150k miles before considering replacing them. We bought 2 hybrids about 10 years ago. I was hoping battery costs would go down over time. Nope - did not happen. 2 months past warranty one of the vehicles had a primary battery failure. $4k to replace. That was about the value of the vehicle. Since it only had 40k miles we invested in it with a new battery. The other vehicle was 2 months/10k miles from expiration of the warranty. Traded it in to avoid battery replacement cost. Why put in a battery when the return is 0 ( battery cost - trade-in value = net 0)?

I would love to buy a smaller EV truck. I will wait until the product comes close to my needs. Then all in... It will be the final vehicle I ever own and drive...
 
I bought a used BMW i3 a few years ago. Had 14k miles on it and only cost $21K. It’s a great little car, fun to drive and surprisingly roomy. It doesn’t have great range but it’s pretty much all my wife and I use for driving around town, which represents a significant majority of our driving. Just charge it overnight every 2-3 days and we’re good to go. We use our SUV for long distance stuff. It’s a mix that works well for us and we didn’t spend an arm and a leg to get an EV.

PS No offense but that Cybertruck makes a Pontiac Aztec look like an Aston Martin DB5.
 
longputt said:
I absolutely need an 8' foot bed...I'd really like that 4 wheel steering and lift feature for my diesel.
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My 95 toyota pickup has a 7’ bed. I am not selling it but i have had 7 or 8 hispanic landscaping guys driving their company flatbed rigs stop and come up to the door and ask if its for sale. Okay it is not for sale, there is no for sale sign up and its covid season so it is annoying. ;) i love my old truck. The point is unless you buy a big arse truck( all trucks are big arse comparitively) i don’t need something that throws a shadow on everything near it. ;)
 
o mykiss said:
I bought a used BMW i3 a few years ago. Had 14k miles on it and only cost $21K. It’s a great little car, fun to drive and surprisingly roomy. It doesn’t have great range but it’s pretty much all my wife and I use for driving around town, which represents a significant majority of our driving. Just charge it overnight every 2-3 days and we’re good to go. We use our SUV for long distance stuff. It’s a mix that works well for us and we didn’t spend an arm and a leg to get an EV.

PS No offense but that Cybertruck makes a Pontiac Aztec look like an Aston Martin DB5.
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+1 on the "Cybertruck" (truck??) Definitely prototyped by kindergarten kids using dull scissors and cardboard from a take-out pizza box.
 
iveofione said:
+1 on the "Cybertruck" (truck??) Definitely prototyped by kindergarten kids using dull scissors and cardboard from a take-out pizza box.
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The looks are just a result of them designing it around the best aerodynamics, strength of build, and cost effectiveness.

it's built from flat sheets of stainless steel. The aerodynamics are superior to the conventional flat front, which isn't needed for an EV. Since there's no need for air intake, you don't need the flat, air-pushing front end. And by not bending/molding the sheets, you're saving on costs. The looks are a result of building from the best design for performance/costs. Not for looks, then working back like the others. I am more likely to go with the Silverado, at least right now, but I wish they'd take a few more design choices to take advantage of the things an EV allows you to do.
 
Evan B said:
This is the one topping my list right now

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I haven't checked out the Silverado EV until I decided to click on your link. I'm not a Chevy "guy" and have a deposit down on an F-150 Lighting but was recently informed that all 2022 orders have been filled so I'll need to wait a bit longer. Fine by me though; I'd rather not purchase any vehicle the very first year it comes out. The Chevy is pretty interesting and it actually seems much more like an electric Avalanche with the rear angled pillars at the bed with the folding gate that turns the rear passenger seat into a cargo area, but I get they need to stick w/ their flagship Silverado name for such an important product. I'm intrigued at what is going on this space and really like the ability to use stored power in these trucks as a temporary generator for the home in a pinch. Yes, that's an expensive generator but as an added benefit, it's a smart move.
 
Evan B said:
The looks are just a result of them designing it around the best aerodynamics, strength of build, and cost effectiveness.

it's built from flat sheets of stainless steel. The aerodynamics are superior to the conventional flat front, which isn't needed for an EV. Since there's no need for air intake, you don't need the flat, air-pushing front end. And by not bending/molding the sheets, you're saving on costs. The looks are a result of building from the best design for performance/costs. Not for looks, then working back like the others. I am more likely to go with the Silverado, at least right now, but I wish they'd take a few more design choices to take advantage of the things an EV allows you to do.
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I'm headed for a electric bike ,two buddy's have them & changed my opinion on them 100% or a weed wacker motor powered bike ,four stroke of course.
 
bennysbuddy said:
I'm headed for a electric bike ,two buddy's have them & changed my opinion on them 100% or a weed wacker motor powered bike ,four stroke of course.
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E-bikes are super cool. I've had thoughts about them, too. If my commute was slightly different, I'd definitely go for one.
 
majpreal said:
Please go for the e-bike. Someone in my neighborhood takes laps on one of those weed whacker bikes and the racket it creates has me wishing I had the balls to go jam a shovel handle into his spokes while he's riding it.
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My guess is it don't sound nearly as bad as my neighbors harley idling at 7:30 in the morning on a saturday
 
I'm anticipating retirement in 3-5 years. While the Fusion will still be in the family stable a while longer, I've been thinking about the Arcimoto as a daily driver.
https://www.arcimoto.com/
Eventually we'll have to clear the driveway of excess vehicles, one of these would make a great adjunct for in town
 
bennysbuddy said:
I'm headed for a electric bike ,two buddy's have them & changed my opinion on them 100% or a weed wacker motor powered bike ,four stroke of course.
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We have a couple of Tern HSD P9 electric cargo bikes. Purchased at REI. Bosch electrical system. They're a hoot to ride.
 
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I'm just waiting for Ryobi to come out with an electric bike so I can use all of my battery packs...
 
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