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SSPey said:
Wife and I have owned an EV car with 240 mile range for 2.5 years, zero complaints. However, when I unexpectedly had to replace my tow rig last year, I got a new gas guzzler for the long haul. I expect it’ll be 10 years before batteries and charging networks makes EV trucks practical for routine, real truck use.
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It depends. If for regular consumer use, yeah, probably a good assumption.
About a year ago I caught an article on one of the EV sites regarding the EV dump trucks Volvo is making and how it takes 2 480-570 volt chargers to charge up at the end of the day.
So I think there's still light at the end of the tunnel, and it might not be the east bound freight...🙃
 
Evan B said:
Well, in most folks cases, especially younger people who didn't buy in to the housing market 10+yrs ago, working overtime is often required just to afford living and having the hope of purchasing a home at some point.
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Sadly this is a major problem for young people , our economy is putting a hurt on a lot of people mainly the young & retired. Now back to Electric cars !
 
The electric car thing hasn’t really caught on where I live yet , but my retired buddy now drives over to vist on a E-bike instead of a 3/4 ton diesel truck. with a basket on the handle bars it makes for a great ride to the 7-11 store . I have to admit they are fun to ride, even if I look like a Walrus riding a unicycle on one.
 
Evan B said:
As an EV owner, I can say the issues you're bringing up here aren't nearly the problems you make them sound. Not sure what your work is/was in the industry, but I know lots of conventional car dealers REALLY crank up the FUD on EVs because they don't make money on them long term in the service department stuff like they do a gas rig.

Charging at charging stations is actually quite fast, provided you have a car model with high speed charging capabilities. I've only ever needed a public charger once, and in 15mins I got about 100mi range added. My car doesn't even have the level 3 charging capabilities the higher end cars have.

Talk to some EV owners on their experiences. Most I know never want another combustion engine vehicle if they can avoid it.
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And you think that's ok? So if I am travelling say from Idaho Falls to Boise I have to stop twice (and maybe 3 times) to charge. So I am going to spend 30 -45 minutes sitting at a charging station to drive less than 4 hours. And that's IF I have a vehicle with the high level charging capability.

Of could I even make it to the launch down here towing my skiff and running the AC? 80 miles one way.

Although its really moot for me because my vehicle is paid for so no better economy with electric will ever gas will ever have a decent ROI.
 
ifsteve said:
And you think that's ok? So if I am travelling say from Idaho Falls to Boise I have to stop twice (and maybe 3 times) to charge. So I am going to spend 30 -45 minutes sitting at a charging station to drive less than 4 hours. And that's IF I have a vehicle with the high level charging capability.

Of could I even make it to the launch down here towing my skiff and running the AC? 80 miles one way.

Although its really moot for me because my vehicle is paid for so no better economy with electric will ever gas will ever have a decent ROI.
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You're taking a bit of a combative tone here when no such intent came from my end. I've stated many times in this thread that the EV thing isn't to a point where it's for everyone yet as we're literally in beginnings of generation 1 for trucks. Down the road, sure, it may make sense for someone like you. But I've been pretty open in saying we're not there yet.

For me, yes, that was an ok thing to do as I've only ever had to do it once. I drive my EV literally every day, and have only had to use a public charging station a single time in the last year.
 
Ok Evan my apologies. Having spent the last 1/3 of my career as my companies energy manager I can get pretty spun up with all the "green" energy push and how so few actually grasp the entire cradle to grave picture and just take the narrative that gas bad and electric good.
 
ifsteve said:
And you think that's ok? So if I am travelling say from Idaho Falls to Boise I have to stop twice (and maybe 3 times) to charge. So I am going to spend 30 -45 minutes sitting at a charging station to drive less than 4 hours. And that's IF I have a vehicle with the high level charging capability.

Of could I even make it to the launch down here towing my skiff and running the AC? 80 miles one way.

Although its really moot for me because my vehicle is paid for so no better economy with electric will ever gas will ever have a decent ROI.
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If the shoe don’t fit don’t buy it. I was totally against them until it was brought to my attention that other peoples lifestyle are vastly different then mine & they do make sense for commuter rigs. You don’t need a four hundred horsepower motor to haul your ass & launch box to work in most cases. Go test drive one , they are great around town drivers.
 
ifsteve said:
And you think that's ok? So if I am travelling say from Idaho Falls to Boise I have to stop twice (and maybe 3 times) to charge. So I am going to spend 30 -45 minutes sitting at a charging station to drive less than 4 hours. And that's IF I have a vehicle with the high level charging capability.
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Our EV has a 240 mile range, pretty typical, which we’ve verified. It could almost do Idaho Falls to Boise = 280 miles. Fully charge before departure with a single 15 min boost along the way. Done. It is not as difficult as it sounds.
 
SSPey said:
Our EV has a 240 mile range, pretty typical, which we’ve verified. It could almost do Idaho Falls to Boise = 280 miles. Fully charge before departure with a single 15 min boost along the way. Done. It is not as difficult as it sounds.
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Driving from Marysville back to Gresham, OR in my F250 yesterday, my stop to get gas took about 15mins. 300 or so mi range on that truck with a tank of gas vs 400 estimated on the Silverado EV. The differences aren't as night and day as most would think.
 
That's called Range Anxiety, folks. With the very early vehicles , and little in the way of charging support, yeah there's room for trepidation. Like I said in an earlier post, we're probably in the stage gas burners were in 1928 .

Expensive BEV's? Look at the Lucid Air Dream. Of you can afford that, you probably make about 1/2 $ million a year or better. But, it seems like they have the range issues down to a very manageable point.
 
Evan B said:
Driving from Marysville back to Gresham, OR in my F250 yesterday, my stop to get gas took about 15mins. 300 or so mi range on that truck with a tank of gas vs 400 estimated on the Silverado EV. The differences aren't as night and day as most would think.
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I'll add: my 15mins took that long because I had to wait on a pump.

My one time using a charging station looked like this:
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My 2014 Ram 1500 4WD single cab long bed has a factory rated range of 608 miles with a 32 gallon tank. The last time I filled up the computer said the distance to empty was 611 miles, far more than I want to drive in a day. But since most new trucks are crew cabs the tank is only 23 or 26 gallons so stops are more frequent. A recent 7 hour+ trip to Vancouver, Wa was 450 miles done easily on one tank of gas at about 72 mph on cruise much of the way. I had enough fuel left to do another 100 miles if I had to.

The new ones do even better-624 mile range according to the factory- but the old and long paid for truck with under 40K miles and in excellent condition is probably better than new given current prices.

An electric truck doesn't interest me at all but a small AWD runabout would sure be nice for the 90 mile round trips to the supermarket or the occasional 190 mile round trip to the city. AWD ups the ante quite a bit price wise but would be absolutely essential up here. As recently as last Thursday I had to plow in order to get the Subaru out of the barn! There is still almost 20 inches of snow on the ground and what little melts turns to glare ice overnight.
 
the only hang up about charging a EV for me is I would have to update my electrical service to accommodate a home charging system . That's a added cost of owning a EV.
 
bennysbuddy said:
the only hang up about charging a EV for me is I would have to update my electrical service to accommodate a home charging system . That's a added cost of owning a EV.
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Driving 60mi per day, a standard wall outlet is plenty to keep me going through the week. Not even a dryer plug in. A standard 120 outlet.
 
Evan B said:
Driving 60mi per day, a standard wall outlet is plenty to keep me going through the week. Not even a dryer plug in. A standard 120 outlet.
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interesting, I signed up for a pilot electrical plan with my PUD which included a whole house power survey. they offered a deal on a charging station as part of the program, I'm still debating as I may sell the house when I retire & a charging station could be a selling point for potential buyers. Sounds like maybe not so much. Evan B. ,thanks for the information
 
bennysbuddy said:
interesting, I signed up for a pilot electrical plan with my PUD which included a whole house power survey. they offered a deal on a charging station as part of the program, I'm still debating as I may sell the house when I retire & a charging station could be a selling point for potential buyers. Sounds like maybe not so much. Evan B. ,thanks for the information
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This info also likely only applies to little grocery getters like my Bolt.
 
So, we will eventually switch to electric vehicles. The manufacturers are already planning to do that. Some plan to make nothing but EVs in the future.

The elephant in the room that everyone is ignoring is where does the power to charge the vehicles come from? Are we simply removing one source of power that is costing us a fortune to replace it with another? Some want to remove the dams that produce electrical power. Won't those dams be required to charge the EVs? Will fueling stations be replaced by charging stations that eventually start charging us $$$ to plug in the vehicles? Will the price to charge your EV go up and down just as it does now to fill your vehicle with fuel?

If the demand for electrical power goes up, the price for that power will also go up. ... which would also include the power they sell us for our homes, stores and factories.
 
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