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I prefer the Robin Hood approach.
Do you participate? - WDFW/ODFW
- Thread starter Shawn Seeger
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Paige
Wishing I was fishing the Sauk
I actually showed him your pics!
Several years ago my buddy and I were drifting down the big "C" (east of the Cascades) when Keith hooked and landed a big brook trout. We should have eaten it.
Now we wait for WDFW to jump in and claim credit for this wonderful Brook Trout fishery.
Nice Brookie, fry'em up mmmmmmm good
When I lived in WA and the apple growers dictated the game rules and started killing the deer in the orchards by the hundreds I kinda just gave up.
When I grew up here in OR I away played by the rules and I didn't have any reason not to.
I still play by the rules and I have to be careful to keep an open eye, cause the rules change over nite.
When I grew up here in OR I away played by the rules and I didn't have any reason not to.
I still play by the rules and I have to be careful to keep an open eye, cause the rules change over nite.
Here is an example and chance to provide input. You can read the draft proposal and provide input.
This is regarding the "North of Falcon Policy"... this is from the email...
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The public is invited to comment on the draft policy by submitting written comments via email at northoffalconfwcpolicy2024-28@publicinput.com, or by phone (855-925-2801, press #6825). Comments will be accepted through Jan. 15, 2024. Public comments received will be summarized for the Commission as they consider adoption of an updated policy during their January meeting. A link to the full draft policy is available on WDFW’s website.
All members of the public are invited to share their diverse perspectives and participate in WDFW public feedback opportunities regardless of race, color, sex, age, national origin, language proficiency, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity and/or expression, status as a veteran, or basis of disability.
WDFW works to preserve, protect, and perpetuate fish, wildlife and ecosystems while providing sustainable fish and wildlife recreational and commercial opportunities. ..."
Just click the links read and comment.
This is regarding the "North of Falcon Policy"... this is from the email...
"...
The public is invited to comment on the draft policy by submitting written comments via email at northoffalconfwcpolicy2024-28@publicinput.com, or by phone (855-925-2801, press #6825). Comments will be accepted through Jan. 15, 2024. Public comments received will be summarized for the Commission as they consider adoption of an updated policy during their January meeting. A link to the full draft policy is available on WDFW’s website.
All members of the public are invited to share their diverse perspectives and participate in WDFW public feedback opportunities regardless of race, color, sex, age, national origin, language proficiency, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity and/or expression, status as a veteran, or basis of disability.
WDFW works to preserve, protect, and perpetuate fish, wildlife and ecosystems while providing sustainable fish and wildlife recreational and commercial opportunities. ..."
Just click the links read and comment.
Dustin Chromers
Legend
I used to. At this point why bother? The commission is an actual and literal joke. The management structure as a system is doomed to fail almost by design (speaking salmon steelhead stuff). The execution of this system is like planning for a C minus to barely pass a class and getting an F on every test and failing miserably but not preparing or studying in any different manner. You don't even plan for a better grade. You just repeat the same failed prefectures and blindly hope. Forgive me for feeling like I would have little to contribute to an organisation full up on so much effective policy action.
I honestly think at this point the feds need to step in and finish the job. At least it would be different. I'll try different and terribly bad over the same failed approaches by the same failed agency at this point. How could we screw it up more?
Now my rant is complete you may begin chastising me about how my time could be better spent e nailing legislators and restoring habitat on a ditch outside of town that hasn't seen so much as a sculpin in a century. I can take it. Flame me with hope to quiet my bad attitude. Prove me wrong headed and restore my fury for good. Bring me back from the dark side.
I honestly think at this point the feds need to step in and finish the job. At least it would be different. I'll try different and terribly bad over the same failed approaches by the same failed agency at this point. How could we screw it up more?
Now my rant is complete you may begin chastising me about how my time could be better spent e nailing legislators and restoring habitat on a ditch outside of town that hasn't seen so much as a sculpin in a century. I can take it. Flame me with hope to quiet my bad attitude. Prove me wrong headed and restore my fury for good. Bring me back from the dark side.
I volunteer with ODFW off and on usually with youth education or events. Also send emails on various issues.
/rant My new peeve is bubbling. Not a "fisheries" issue but getting really cranky about requiring small boat registration if using an electric motor /endrant
/rant My new peeve is bubbling. Not a "fisheries" issue but getting really cranky about requiring small boat registration if using an electric motor /endrant
Good morning Dustin, and nope not from me. This was asked just so I could see and understand others views. As a retired corporate business analyst, I just wanted to see what others think and how they view this topic.
Dealing with any government agency or elected officials reminds me very much of corporate life. Someone at the top (Pres.) has an agenda, direction, and/or goal, they (Senior Mgr) get pressure from others to do something, they (Super) have teams to try achieve that goal, the team (Staff) members are asked how to achieve the goal and to preform the tasks required even if they don't agree with the goal. The team is asked how to make the goal achievable, team members provide input, then the team leader and managers have to make a decision on the direction to achieve the goal that the top person has set. And everywhere up and down the chain those asked for input are frustrated because maybe their input wasn't accepted and they still have to follow what the top person set for direction.
My input to the entire team structure always was, you might not get the top agenda, direction, and/or goal changed but you can change the way your portion of the task is completed. Change what you have control over. Also, remember everybody on the team will have a different opinion on how to achieve the task, and just because as a team you were all asked for input didn't many all input will be accepted.
Thanks for providing your comments! Rants accepted.
Just emailed some comments this morning. The Draft is worded in such a manner that there are few if any real specifics. Very general in scope. However I was able to tease out something that I thought needed to be addressed. Basically - save some fish for us bankies on the river to catch. Not everybody can afford a bay boat.
THANK YOU and Congratulations!
I need to do more, since Occupy Skagit. I would do emails once in a while and did speak at one of the WDFW meetings, that I was able to attend by taking the day off.
OS was work, and others did the lions share, but I learned a lot! It was frustrating that once we got it open, they didn't open it due to funding for enforcement. Sadly, I've only seen enforcement twice in all of the years I've fished here. I have talked to the people who see what you caught, if anything that day. I've been checked more ofter in MT!
Not fishing related, but I did help a friend run for the House of Represtentatives, national, for 3 months or so. This was in the primary and he was up against Dino Rossi.. I did social media posts and web site updates. I volunteered, although he did give me a lot of wine as payment or for helping. He was self funded and an independent. And I have taken him out to fly fish, so I guess kind of fishing related.
We do have to keep up the good fight though! Found a No Pebble Mine sticker.. need to keep an eye on that as well!
Cheers!
OS was work, and others did the lions share, but I learned a lot! It was frustrating that once we got it open, they didn't open it due to funding for enforcement. Sadly, I've only seen enforcement twice in all of the years I've fished here. I have talked to the people who see what you caught, if anything that day. I've been checked more ofter in MT!
Not fishing related, but I did help a friend run for the House of Represtentatives, national, for 3 months or so. This was in the primary and he was up against Dino Rossi.. I did social media posts and web site updates. I volunteered, although he did give me a lot of wine as payment or for helping. He was self funded and an independent. And I have taken him out to fly fish, so I guess kind of fishing related.
We do have to keep up the good fight though! Found a No Pebble Mine sticker.. need to keep an eye on that as well!
Cheers!
And the folks at O.D.F.W. that do care can only keep their heads down , put in their 20 years or so and then collect their P.E.R.S. Making waves or bringing up good ideas is allways a bad idea. Remember that no good deed goes unpunished.
Thanks Shawn! In my initial reading of the 2024- 2028 North of Falcon policy document @ northoffalconfwcpolicy2024-28@publicinput.com , it appears there are a lot of things that I like as primarily a coastal stream & PS beach trout and salmon - C&R fly angler stakeholder. I'll read through it a few more times and make some notes before I submit my comments.