Dismantling of the USFS

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Billy said:
The area of Idaho i'm elk hunting this fall has giant tracts of timber land that was once public and now purchased by the Wilk brothers out of Texas. I ain't getting access by a knock on the door.

It's incredible how much land it is. I think they own over 600,000 acres across the west. Gone into the hands of a billionaire family.
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Hunting - DF Development

Hunting is essential for wildlife management. Book a hunt to support the responsible harvesting of large game.
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Sucks big time.
Im assuming "book your hunt" means its not free...
 
Long_Rod_Silvers said:
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Hunting - DF Development

Hunting is essential for wildlife management. Book a hunt to support the responsible harvesting of large game.
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Sucks big time.
Im assuming "book your hunt" means its not free...
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So looking around on their website it appears they sell chunks of land between 2 and 200 acres on "ranches." Or they lease land.

Both of which I assume will produce funds to buy more land. Rinse and repeat. Keep the prime chunks!
 
Billy said:
So looking around on their website it appears they sell chunks of land between 2 and 200 acres on "ranches." Or they lease land.

Both of which I assume will produce funds to buy more land. Rinse and repeat. Keep the prime chunks!
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Thats fucked. Sucks when private property changes ownership and they restrict access.
 
Long_Rod_Silvers said:
Thats fucked. Sucks when private property changes ownership and they restrict access.
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One needs to take into account: impact to new development, loss of privacy, not respecting the property and destroying flora and fauna, making it a dump site, increased insurance costs, to name a few....

As a former land owner, I had all those issues and more. Treat it with respect and access would still be there. It got so bad I ended up selling my dream retirement place.
 
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Meh

Research never helped anything
You can learn as much by just watching Jeopardy or Wheel of Fortune.
If those research guys were really all that smart or something we'd have flying cars like the Jetsons
 
One of the lifeguards at my lap pool who also works summers as a USFS firefighter supervisor shared last week he'd been informed the budget cuts = fewer 20 man response teams available for assignment come summer. With major droughts having been declared. Rationalize that...
 
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I will leave the politics of it alone
I don't trust the right or the left to be honest about much of anything
We live in the post information age. If your opinion is formed by a political party
A news outlet or an NGO you are being lied to for their political gain.. point blank, that is the world we live in.

My only problem with the forest service, that I know of, is duplication.

The forest service should be for managing timber sales
The BLM should manage the land
The us fish and wildlife service should manage the fish and wildlife.

Here is how they work together

Forest service: we need some timber sales
BLM: Here is what's available
FIsh and Wildlife service: here is what our biologists say we can safely cut.

And similarly for all the other functions of the 3 services

The Forest service and BLM shouldn't have biologists they belong in the fish and wildlife setvice.

I think you get the idea. The less money we spend on duplicating very high paying roles the more we can spend on actually doing work.. yes over 100,000 a year is very high pay.
 
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Rob Allen said:
yes over 100,000 a year is very high pay.
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No it is not Rob. I made that much in 2016 making $25 bucks and hr, I busted my ass off to do it. Now I make more in salary because of my work ethics, if living in PS region that is not a lot of money and far from it!
 
Paige said:
No it is not Rob. I made that much in 2016 making $25 bucks and hr, I busted my ass off to do it. Now I make more in salary because of my work ethics, if living in PS region that is not a lot of money and far from it!
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Puts you in to top 40% of earners in America... that's a huge wage to more than half of Americans
 
Rob Allen said:
Puts you in to top 40% of earners in America... that's a huge wage to more than half of Americans
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Depends on where you are. Everything (including and especially mortgage/rent) was cheaper in Vermont than Puegetopolis, so even though I have a higher salary now, we have less money than before we moved. Put another way, my salary now would go a lot further in Vermont (and, I'm guessing, lots of other areas of the country) than it does here. It was still a good move, though!
 
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Paige said:
No it is not Rob. I made that much in 2016 making $25 bucks and hr, I busted my ass off to do it. Now I make more in salary because of my work ethics, if living in PS region that is not a lot of money and far from it!
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Agreed, not a lot if in PS region. It all depends where you live...

Case in point: I live in the PS region. We have our two daughters back living with us after earning bachelor degrees. They do not earn enough to live on their own; maybe if they lived together.
 
Arbitrary statements on salary without presenting any comparative data, factual background, or even an idea of what upper management job responsibilities entail make for a poorly conceived argument, unlikely to be taken seriously.
It's not like the forest rakers are getting 100 large.


But about those car tabs...
 
Rob Allen said:
Puts you in to top 40% of earners in America... that's a huge wage to more than half of Americans
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"As of early 2026, the average hourly earnings for all employees on U.S. private nonfarm payrolls is approximately $37.17 to $37.55. This represents a roughly 3.5%–3.7% year-over-year increase, reflecting continued, though slowing, wage growth. Production and nonsupervisory employees earn an average of about $31.95 to $32.07 per hour."

As to information sources...whereas many prefer to only view news sources which confirm their bias, when viewing multiple news sources across the spectrum both domestic and foreign, truths and facts tend to become evident.
 
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