Brute
Legend
You didn’t miss much until the last minute of the first half and the beginning the second half…
College Football 2024
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Brute
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That’s the truth…Someone’s being out coached
Coach Potter
Legend
If OSU continues to play the way they have the last two games it’s hard to imagine them losing to anyone.
Porter2
Legend
Except ND. They seem to have a mission. The will. But yeah OSU is rising at right time. While ND is just earning it the hard way.
Coach Potter
Legend
I really like Freeman! He seems like the kind of guy I would have loved to play for. I would be rooting for ND in an OSU/ND matchup.
There’s an old saying in coaching, “it ain’t the X’s and O’s but the Jimmies and Joe’s”…now we call them the dudes and OSU’s got the dudes. The Smith kid is the best offensive player left in the tournament and the only guy who has a shot at covering him is on his own team
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I think OSU will play Penn St. for the title.
There’s an old saying in coaching, “it ain’t the X’s and O’s but the Jimmies and Joe’s”…now we call them the dudes and OSU’s got the dudes. The Smith kid is the best offensive player left in the tournament and the only guy who has a shot at covering him is on his own team
. I think OSU will play Penn St. for the title.
At some point, some college presidents will ask why their universities are engaged in fielding and paying for semi-pro sports leagues with all the headaches (and expenses) that go with this. Income from television rights are plowed back into the athletic department's budget, often augmented by mandatory fees paid by the general student body. Some poor college student working a minimum wage job to pay tuition and fees is subsidizing fellow students earning tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars a year and coaches that are making millions. The lion's share of the players and the coaches are totally mercenary at this point, which makes total sense from their perspective. This level of athletics isn't central to the university's mission = higher education. In fact, if their "student-athletes" are truly interested in education, having to travel across the country to play in the train-wreck of top conference takes them out of the classroom for too much time. The UW football team will have traveled 17,000 miles (UCLA will fly 22,000+ miles) (see here).But in the end we are losing it. We are losing the rivals. We are losing the spirit of college football. I’m not so sure 5 years from now college ball at the D1 top tier will be so special. You’re talking basically pro ball. We already have the NFL. Be interesting. ?
Steve
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There is 'higher education' being taught. It is a hard world out there. There is a lot of competition out there. People learn to look at themselves and determine honestly what is their real value/worth. People are being taught to work harder, more creatively, promote themselves and do what is necessary to get ahead. In some cases they weigh different proposals and may negotiate better terms.
All good skills in the workplace.
All good skills in the workplace.
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Hoofer
Life of the Party
I just watched Chip Kelly at a press session from earlier in the week, talking about Smith: “He’s built for it.” Chip looked built for it too. Those fellas might be tough to stop.
Coach Potter
Legend
It’s definitely changing and “we” are losing it…right before our very eyes but the next generation of sports fan doesn’t care about the same things we do.But in the end we are losing it. We are losing the rivals. We are losing the spirit of college football. I’m not so sure 5 years from now college ball at the D1 top tier will be so special. You’re talking basically pro ball. We already have the NFL. Be interesting. ?
I’ve spent the last 13 years coaching the next generation of college football fans
. Their perspective is different than ours. When I ask a HS kid who his favorite teams are he starts talking about his favorite player’s.
Coach Potter
Legend
Athletics at the college level IS an education in and of itself. My kid’s only negotiating scholarship money…nobody is paying him to play. However, he has lived on his phone since entering the portal 2 weeks ago. He’s spoken with no less than 25 coaches during that time. I’m letting him handle this process. It’s his decision and he knows what he’s looking for. I’m only here to offer guidance when asked. Every night we talk about who he’s spoken with and what he’s weighing. He has asked me to listen in on a few of the calls and he’s definitely getting an education!
Coach Potter
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Thanks! We all learned a lot going through it with his older brother although the process was much different during Covid. I feel empathy for kids and their parents. There isn't a handbook for any of this and the rules seem to be very fluid. When you call the NCAA you get different answers depending on who you talk to. The boys and I have discussed various ideas to pass on what we have learned so future kids/parents might at least know what questions to ask.
Students are far less subsidizing athletes as much as they are subsidizing the retirements of tenured faculty (I managed non-academic campus operations at a medical school for two decades) and senior administration.. Faculty who in some cases are retiring with more per annum than their annual salary before retirement, and when working had their teaching assistants handling the bulk of the classroom load. And administrators who know how to play the 'years plus matching' can make bank, an example being Mike Belloti, former AD for U of O and now a college football announcer, who retired with an annual 500K PERS payout for life. Compared to the retirement obligations of a major university, what college student athletes get paid minus the direct NIL contributions from major benefactors is peanuts.
And if stepping back from the forest, our entire four year education system is geared towards a self sustaining industry to benefit school board trustees, administration, faculty, the massive school text book industry (over 3B in sales annually), everyone but the students who are asked to pay tuition for four years that are stuffed with crap that has little to do with the core field they are working to get educated in so they can get professional jobs.
When I was travelling extensively during my years building and managing high tech facilities, I was exposed by curiosity to the academic models in a handful of countries, all who have moved on from the antiquated Edwardian model the US is still operating on. Three year high school models in which young adults declare their intent to go the college route or technical school route by the end of their sophomore year, and either start college or technical courses minus fluff in what would be their third year of high school, finished with what be the equivalent of our four year degrees in the US by the time they are 18 or 19, ready for their profession. While here in the US we continue to educate through a four year high school and four year college model that only benefits the education system industry itself.
Anyone think the rule that college students must be out of high school for three years or have completed two years of college before being eligible to play in the NFL is about anything more than maintaining the athletic base for the colleges while training them up for the NFL? Watched a piece on ESPN in which several college FB players explained they hadn't sat in a classroom in an entire year, being given exceptions to take the courses online - while living on the campus, working out on the campus, and playing on the campus. Essentially full time athletes/part time students, and they shouldn't get paid for that, even if they are always one injury away from losing their athletic future?
The answer to all of our questions is money, and the relentless pursuit of it.