College Football 2023

O' Clarkii Stomias said:
The PAC 12 was awesome while it lasted. Such a shame! First the NFL turned me off, now this. Fuck football!
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I got in to college football being an Oregon boy and somehow catching a 2011 Oregon game when they were fast and fun and exciting. I’ve always hated the NFL but I fell in love with college football after that.

I do think players should be allowed to be paid. I’ve been a starving college athlete before, if someone in Klamath Falls wanted me in a car commercial I feel like I should have been able to make a buck.

But I never foresaw the PAC12 collapsing. It’s a real damn shame. The lower level sports that don’t make money are going to suffer too much. This sucks
 
It's a shame about what has slowly transpired and led to this in the P12. The complete mismanagement of the conference and the indifference with most AD departments led to this. The conference hasn't backed and supported it's crowned jewels (USC, UW, OU, UCLA) When UW was rolling in the early 90's the P10 didn't back it's heavy weight when sanctions game a-calling and let the team slowly fade, a decade later same thing at USC...When was the last time the P12 had a national powerhouse dynasty? P12 After Dark? Home and Home games against SEC? Covid shutdowns? The B10 and SEC have been dancing on the grave of the P12 for 20 yrs. I am cautiously optimistic and very excited for the UW going to a conference who is serious about football. Good riddance P12....
 
O' Clarkii Stomias said:
and head to the Rose Bowl.
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Worth noting that the expanded college football playoff killed the Rose bowl matchup after this year anyway. Even if the pac12 had stayed together, the Rose Bowl would still be a quarterfinal playoff game.
 
Maybe the Rose Bowl will host the Big 10 championship game in the future now that they have a western footprint. Alternate it yearly between its current location, Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis and the Rose Bowl?
That would give the Midwest folks, likely Ohio St or Michigan a chance to get out of winter weather for a trip west.
SF
 
I hope the Ducks negotiated for a game to be played in LA every year. Alternate years playing U$C then fUCLA in LaLa Land would be great.

We need the recruiting footprint in SoCali.
 
Stonedfish said:
Maybe the Rose Bowl will host the Big 10 championship game in the future now that they have a western footprint. Alternate it yearly between its current location, Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis and the Rose Bowl?
That would give the Midwest folks, likely Ohio St or Michigan a chance to get out of winter weather for a trip west.
SF
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Well the Dachshunds wont be playing in it...
😅🤣😅
 
Corvallis is a college town. It exists for OSU. It's going to be a little difficult to be a college town for a team with no conference affiliation.

As it seems a university these days is dependent on sports revenue to keep the educational departments up and running, things are very bleak for the Beavs and the Cougs.

The only practical thing I can see is what's left of the Pac 12 to do is merge with another conference. They certainly can't rebuild an entire conference from the ground up.

Boy, I'm sure glad OSU built and brand new, expensive football stadium. No one will be around to play there. Money well spent.
 
GAT said:
As it seems a university these days is dependent on sports revenue to keep the educational departments up and running,
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This is generally not the case based on data I've read. Athletic revenue seems to mostly keep the athletic dept running. And except for a few of the very largest institutions, either barely break even or run at a loss every year.
In 2019, only 25 of 130 schools in the high-grossing Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) whose members are large, mostly public universities (with some exceptions such as Notre Dame, Northwestern, and Stanford) reported positive net revenues (see here). In fact, the median athletic program in FBS in 2019 (the last pre-pandemic year) had an operating deficit of $18.8 million. The same was true in the other two Division I subdivisions: among the 125 schools of the Football Championship Subdivision (FCS) the median program ran a deficit of $14.3 million, and in DI without football (94 schools) it was of $14.4 million. Large and persistent athletic department deficits lead schools to increase student athletic fees (many exceed $1000 per student yearly) and contribute to increases in tuition. As the cost of attending college rises, so does student debt which reached a record of over $1.6 trillion in the United States in 2021.
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While there may be a few exceptions, I think we can generally say that football/basketball revenues aren't keeping the lights on in the cancer research departments or Math 101 classrooms at universities.

For OSU specifically, the data I can find appears to show that the athletic dept was projecting a $17M deficit for 2022. I'm not sure what the final numbers were or what the 2023 numbers are outside from a quote saying that the AD "didn't expect to run a deficit in 2023". But don't forget that all Pac12 schools are going to owe Comcast about $6M each for overpayments. So even if they somehow broke even in 2023, they really didn't because they owe that $6M.

Anyway, I think we can safely say that sports aren't keeping the educational dept running at OSU (and probably not at most PAC12 schools).
 
Josh said:
This is generally not the case based on data I've read. Athletic revenue seems to mostly keep the athletic dept running. And except for a few of the very largest institutions, either barely break even or run at a loss every year.


While there may be a few exceptions, I think we can generally say that football/basketball revenues aren't keeping the lights on in the cancer research departments or Math 101 classrooms at universities.

For OSU specifically, the data I can find appears to show that the athletic dept was projecting a $17M deficit for 2022. I'm not sure what the final numbers were or what the 2023 numbers are outside from a quote saying that the AD "didn't expect to run a deficit in 2023". But don't forget that all Pac12 schools are going to owe Comcast about $6M each for overpayments. So even if they somehow broke even in 2023, they really didn't because they owe that $6M.

Anyway, I think we can safely say that sports aren't keeping the educational dept running at OSU (and probably not at most PAC12 schools).
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Well good. I've never come across that information before. I guess I've listened to too many Beaver Believers that gave me the impression that the sports department was all that kept OSU afloat. Considering that isn't true, then I guess it makes no difference to the integrity of the university if the sports department goes belly up or not.
 
GAT said:
Well good. I've never come across that information before. I guess I've listened to too many Beaver Believers that gave me the impression that the sports department was all that kept OSU afloat. Considering that isn't true, then I guess it makes no difference to the integrity of the university if the sports department goes belly up or not.
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When the 'athletic revenue keeps the rest of the university afloat' argument falls on its face (as is generally the case) sports proponents then rely on the intangible justifications of its ability to attract more students, continued wealthy alumni support, and generation of "school spirit'.....all difficult to actually quantify.

It's not unusual for universities to gut non-athletic programs, student tuition assistance, and tack on additional student fees to keep athletic programs afloat.

You'll all eventually get over the PAC12 kerfuffle...rarely hear Gonzaga fans pine over the loss of its football program. 😂
 
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So athletic departments/programs draw more students than educational excellence? Seems so with prioritizing where money is being spent....
 
Josh said:
This is generally not the case based on data I've read. Athletic revenue seems to mostly keep the athletic dept running. And except for a few of the very largest institutions, either barely break even or run at a loss every year.


While there may be a few exceptions, I think we can generally say that football/basketball revenues aren't keeping the lights on in the cancer research departments or Math 101 classrooms at universities.

For OSU specifically, the data I can find appears to show that the athletic dept was projecting a $17M deficit for 2022. I'm not sure what the final numbers were or what the 2023 numbers are outside from a quote saying that the AD "didn't expect to run a deficit in 2023". But don't forget that all Pac12 schools are going to owe Comcast about $6M each for overpayments. So even if they somehow broke even in 2023, they really didn't because they owe that $6M.

Anyway, I think we can safely say that sports aren't keeping the educational dept running at OSU (and probably not at most PAC12 schools).
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Also WSU and OSU are state universities.
 
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