Coho hook direction

K

Kado

Steelhead
This has possibly been discussed before, but I'm about ready to tie up a bunch of flies for both the beach and from the boat. With my fishing ability, I need every advantage I can get, even if it's the smallest amount.
1. Does it matter if the hook point is up or down? I like the idea of it being up from the beach as maybe even one less snag on the bottom, but my strip set must suck because I lose I believe more than I should. Wasn't sure if the direction of the hook makes any difference.

2. I know many don't seem to think it matters if the white ducktail on a clouser is on the top or bottom, but I just like it to be on the bottom. If tying a fly with a trailing hook with dumbbell eyes and an upturned eye on the shank, I'm assuming I put the eyes on the bottom of the shank. I see most people putting the eyes on top of the shank, white on the bottom, and hook point down. Would this then spin upside down and hook point up, or does the upturned eye on the shank keep it with the eyes on top?

I know this is obsessing a little bit, but it takes the same amount of time to tie one way or the other, so I figure I might as well try and tie what has worked the best for everyone. If it make absolutely no difference, then at least I'll be tying them the way I want them to fish.

Thanks for help.
Mark
 
Hook style matters more. Owner No Escape hooks are nice. Sizes 4, 2, 1

Coho are escape artists and notorious fly nibblers, so losing them is to be expected.
 
weighted eyes on 'top' of a Clouser, Comet or similar will auto roll the hook to a point up position in the salt, so are always tied with hook in normal position in the vice.
 
I use white on top and white on the bottom, so it doesn’t matter which way up it is!

Dime - I am surprised that you are fishing such a small hook for coho. I don’t use anything smaller than a 1/0 for those no escape hooks.
 
Chucker said:
I use white on top and white on the bottom, so it doesn’t matter which way up it is!

Dime - I am surprised that you are fishing such a small hook for coho. I don’t use anything smaller than a 1/0 for those no escape hooks.
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Definitely 1/0 if the average coho weight is >5 pounds or if chinook are feeding in close to the beach.
 
For stinger hooks if you’re using one larger than a size 2 then the weight tends to invert the fly and roll. For that I usually max my stinger hook up flys to a size 2 and sometimes a size 4. Owner’s are heavier than the Eagle Claw stinger hooks.
 
I just tied up a bunch of stinger style Clousers, with Owner 1/0 hooks. went slightly heavier on the dumbell eyes. I'm headed up to Ft. Flagler/Marrowstore Pt. this weekend. So we'll see how that goes....
 
Mud&$alt72 said:
Thank you, DimeBrite. I have to admit the reg book was kind of confusing.
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I got one of those WA Reg Books about 25 years ago. It was the worst laid out bundle of butt wipe I had ever put my hands on. I see things haven’t changed much over the years.
 
I think they just replaced the “pamphlet” online with the 2024-25 edition a week ago. If you’d looked at the opening date any earlier than that, you’d have seen July 13 as the (2023) opening date.
 
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I think they just replaced the “pamphlet” online with the 2024-25 edition a week ago. If you’d looked at the opening date any earlier than that, you’d have seen July 13 as the (2023) opening date.
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Yeah, felt really stupid for a minute there.
 
The pamphlet/regulations are even more confusing than we thought (if such a thing was possible).

Just picked a hard couple of the new regs - MA 9 for salmon it list it being open for salmon 7/18 -7/20; 2 salmon with only 1Chinook with release of chum, wild coho and wild Chinook.

7/21 -7/31 listed as being closed for salmon
8/1- 9/23 2 salmon limit 2 release Chinook, chum and wild coho

Checked the emergency regs but none in effect. Clearly, they intend to manage the late July salmon season as well as any Hatchery Chinook after 7/20 by emergency regulations. What could possibly go wrong!

BTW - the Chinook summer opportunity in MA 10 will be the same - after 7/20 it will be by emergency regs.

Will kinda of making long-term planning a day on the water difficult.

Curt
 
Smalma said:
The pamphlet/regulations are even more confusing than we thought (if such a thing was possible).

Just picked a hard couple of the new regs - MA 9 for salmon it list it being open for salmon 7/18 -7/20; 2 salmon with only 1Chinook with release of chum, wild coho and wild Chinook.

7/21 -7/31 listed as being closed for salmon
8/1- 9/23 2 salmon limit 2 release Chinook, chum and wild coho

Checked the emergency regs but none in effect. Clearly, they intend to manage the late July salmon season as well as any Hatchery Chinook after 7/20 by emergency regulations. What could possibly go wrong!

BTW - the Chinook summer opportunity in MA 10 will be the same - after 7/20 it will be by emergency regs.

Will kinda of making long-term planning a day on the water difficult.

Curt
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So generous of our tribal partners to grant a minimum of 3 days MA9 salmon fishing in the month of July!
If they are gracious, a couple additional days might be added if the WDFW chinook encounter equations show the "quota" has not been reached. This is another insult on top of closing down the S rivers.

Who the fuck capitulated to this? How fast can we replace them?

EDIT: This topic should be discussed in the Saltwater Forum😂

Thread 'MA9 Salmon Season: 3 Days in July?'
https://pnwflyfishing.com/forum/index.php?threads/ma9-salmon-season-3-days-in-july.8294/
 
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I'm still okay to target SRCs, right? I simply cannot be expected to go camping with my family an not ditch them at 5am to go fishing...;)
 
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