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Jake said:
I imagine you don’t need to be told, but it it’s amazing how common and unconsciously ingrained into our culture are “Let’s grab a beer sometime” and the expectation that at an adult function there will be alcohol consumed. For folks who don’t or shouldn’t consume alcohol that can make it awkward or difficult to voice their choice—and it shouldn’t be that way.
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It is hard to discuss this topic because it is often perceived as grand standing or soap box speak by some folks. But I have had to defend my not drinking status like hundreds of times. People don’t see it as rude to ask about it and it’s shocking how often you are targeted as the odd one out. Sadly, there are many times I have been at a wedding, or a party, or out late with friends when most everyone else is drunk, and I am having a great time, and suddenly someone says something like, “Why are you here if you aren’t drinking?” or “How is this fun if you aren’t drinking?” A shockingly large number of people are not very self aware about this and how it is basically admitting that they could not see themselves being this way without alcohol. I never get worked up or defensive about it, but it is revealing and I think a lot of these people do not know how to have a fun crazy time without booze or drugs. It can be done and I do it regularly. Too many people need a reason to do something and get together and have long accepted that the reason is getting a buzz. Like I can ask people if they would like to come over and hang out and they will ask questions like, “For what?”, like there needs to be a reason besides good company and sharing stories. I do think America has a serious drinking problem and I don’t like to even talk about it because it sets off so many alarms.

I am not a judgmental person and do not hate on people who use and abuse drugs. I have family members and many people I love like this and it isn’t something I push ever not even a little, not in the slightest, because I think it is best to quietly lead by example with this part of life. However, it’s surprising how often they bring the topic up, and I just bite my tongue and answer in a very shallow way, because you need to wait for people to come around to it. Love and take care of yourself first and love others and maybe it will happen. I go out with my drunkard friends whenever they invite me and I have a great time with them and that is what matters most IMO. Even when I drank we would all laugh the night away, and I really believe sober people can also laugh the night away.
 
HauntedByWaters said:
not even coffee....
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HauntedByWaters said:
P.S. I might be addicted to ice cream
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Adding perspective from the world of dementia studies....

Alcohol may make memory loss long term way more likely, but it turns out Coffee, particularly in the AM may actually help with memory preservation...

On the other hand sweets in the evening may not help with memory long term.

You may not need a reason to start enjoying ice cream in your coffee in the morning, but there it is..... Maybe Fontinalis can use this for marketing somehow
FontinalisFin said:
I actually make ice cream for a living so I just can't seem to get away from it o_O
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Wadin' Boot said:
Adding perspective from the world of dementia studies....

Alcohol may make memory loss long term way more likely, but it turns out Coffee, particularly in the AM may actually help with memory preservation...

On the other hand sweets in the evening may not help with memory long term.

You may not need a reason to start enjoying ice cream in your coffee in the morning, but there it is..... Maybe Fontinalis can use
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Behold the Affogato. I used to have a 3 group head espresso machine but got rid of it since I was drinking 6 shots a day and maybe selling 1 o_O. I use a single serve k-cup style machine from Lavazza now. Besides national ice cream for breakfast day, it's a hard sell to get people eating ice cream before noon. I do some farmers markets in the summer that start at 10am to good success.
 
HauntedByWaters said:
It is hard to discuss this topic because it is often perceived as grand standing or soap box speak by some folks. But I have had to defend my not drinking status like hundreds of times. People don’t see it as rude to ask about it and it’s shocking how often you are targeted as the odd one out. Sadly, there are many times I have been at a wedding, or a party, or out late with friends when most everyone else is drunk, and I am having a great time, and suddenly someone says something like, “Why are you here if you aren’t drinking?” or “How is this fun if you aren’t drinking?” A shockingly large number of people are not very self aware about this and how it is basically admitting that they could not see themselves being this way without alcohol. I never get worked up or defensive about it, but it is revealing and I think a lot of these people do not know how to have a fun crazy time without booze or drugs. It can be done and I do it regularly. Too many people need a reason to do something and get together and have long accepted that the reason is getting a buzz. Like I can ask people if they would like to come over and hang out and they will ask questions like, “For what?”, like there needs to be a reason besides good company and sharing stories. I do think America has a serious drinking problem and I don’t like to even talk about it because it sets off so many alarms.

I am not a judgmental person and do not hate on people who use and abuse drugs. I have family members and many people I love like this and it isn’t something I push ever not even a little, not in the slightest, because I think it is best to quietly lead by example with this part of life. However, it’s surprising how often they bring the topic up, and I just bite my tongue and answer in a very shallow way, because you need to wait for people to come around to it. Love and take care of yourself first and love others and maybe it will happen. I go out with my drunkard friends whenever they invite me and I have a great time with them and that is what matters most IMO. Even when I drank we would all laugh the night away, and I really believe sober people can also laugh the night away.
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All of that makes perfect sense to me!
 
FontinalisFin said:
Behold the Affogato. I used to have a 3 group head espresso machine but got rid of it since I was drinking 6 shots a day and maybe selling 1 o_O. I use a single serve k-cup style machine from Lavazza now. Besides national ice cream for breakfast day, it's a hard sell to get people eating ice cream before noon. I do some farmers markets in the summer that start at 10am to good success.
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I’ll eat ice cream any time of day, even in the winter……and cookies too, maybe I have issues?
 
HauntedByWaters said:
It is hard to discuss this topic because it is often perceived as grand standing or soap box speak by some folks. But I have had to defend my not drinking status like hundreds of times. People don’t see it as rude to ask about it and it’s shocking how often you are targeted as the odd one out. Sadly, there are many times I have been at a wedding, or a party, or out late with friends when most everyone else is drunk, and I am having a great time, and suddenly someone says something like, “Why are you here if you aren’t drinking?” or “How is this fun if you aren’t drinking?” A shockingly large number of people are not very self aware about this and how it is basically admitting that they could not see themselves being this way without alcohol. I never get worked up or defensive about it, but it is revealing and I think a lot of these people do not know how to have a fun crazy time without booze or drugs. It can be done and I do it regularly. Too many people need a reason to do something and get together and have long accepted that the reason is getting a buzz. Like I can ask people if they would like to come over and hang out and they will ask questions like, “For what?”, like there needs to be a reason besides good company and sharing stories. I do think America has a serious drinking problem and I don’t like to even talk about it because it sets off so many alarms.

I am not a judgmental person and do not hate on people who use and abuse drugs. I have family members and many people I love like this and it isn’t something I push ever not even a little, not in the slightest, because I think it is best to quietly lead by example with this part of life. However, it’s surprising how often they bring the topic up, and I just bite my tongue and answer in a very shallow way, because you need to wait for people to come around to it. Love and take care of yourself first and love others and maybe it will happen. I go out with my drunkard friends whenever they invite me and I have a great time with them and that is what matters most IMO. Even when I drank we would all laugh the night away, and I really believe sober people can also laugh the night away.
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Do you remember going fishing with me? I won’t go into detail but if you remember the day then you might remember me saying that when people drink or use drugs it translates to less competition to me so I really didn’t care if they drank or use Likely that day I was referring to those on the river chasing steelhead but in reality I would say this for all aspects of life. When I am offered mind altering substances or asked why I don’t drink I simply smile and say little knowing I have a distinct advantage over those that do.

Happy that you can live and enjoy life without mind altering substances.
 
kerrys said:
Do you remember going fishing with me? I won’t go into detail but if you remember the day then you might remember me saying that when people drink or use drugs it translates to less competition to me so I really didn’t care if they drank or use Likely that day I was referring to those on the river chasing steelhead but in reality I would say this for all aspects of life. When I am offered mind altering substances or asked why I don’t drink I simply smile and say little knowing I have a distinct advantage over those that do.

Happy that you can live and enjoy life without mind altering substances.
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I do remember that and I also remember you not being too happy when I smoked a bowl in your boat. That year was probably the low point of my life; laid off, burning through savings, fishing all the time, and wondering why I was so unhappy. 2009 was also spectacularly bad for catching in the Skagit CnR season which didn’t help. Thanks for the day on the water and the wise words.
 
HauntedByWaters said:
I do remember that and I also remember you not being too happy when I smoked a bowl in your boat. That year was probably the low point of my life; laid off, burning through savings, fishing all the time, and wondering why I was so unhappy. 2009 was also spectacularly bad for catching in the Skagit CnR season which didn’t help. Thanks for the day on the water and the wise words.
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Perhaps your memory is a bit hazy from all the smoke. You asked if I would mind if you smoked. I respected you for that which led to my comment about having an advantage over people under the influence.

Yes, 2009 was a bad year. Most people that spent time on the river and an understanding of what was going thought the Skagit should be closed which it was the following year.
 
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