Bulk Tungsten Line for Stupid Deep Rigs

Be careful with the T7, I welded it to some t10. It broke at 7lbs....in the middle nowhere near the welds. I haven't experimented further though so maybe the rest are better or maybe I had a bad batch. My plan was to use the T7 as the running line portion...
 
Be careful with the T7, I welded it to some t10. It broke at 7lbs....in the middle nowhere near the welds. I haven't experimented further though so maybe the rest are better or maybe I had a bad batch. My plan was to use the T7 as the running line portion...
That's unfortunate seeing as I bought 110' of it after perusing the "Stupid Deep" thread on the old forum! The T8/T20 combo discussed therein seemed like just the ticket for getting flies into the 30' and beyond range.

I was looking for Rio T8, but it looked like the spools were sold out everywhere, and I would have had to organize some kind of a group purchase. Wouldn't have been the end of the world, but all things being equal it seemed easier to just hit "buy" and be done with it.

I suppose if it does fail at 4X tippet-strength I can salvage whatever's left for some trout-caliber sink-tips.....so there's that.
 
Addendum to the above. Looks like the Gorge Fly Shop has the Rio Intouch 500' T8 spools for $350.
 
That's unfortunate seeing as I bought 110' of it after perusing the "Stupid Deep" thread on the old forum! The T8/T20 combo discussed therein seemed like just the ticket for getting flies into the 30' and beyond range.

I was looking for Rio T8, but it looked like the spools were sold out everywhere, and I would have had to organize some kind of a group purchase. Wouldn't have been the end of the world, but all things being equal it seemed easier to just hit "buy" and be done with it.

I suppose if it does fail at 4X tippet-strength I can salvage whatever's left for some trout-caliber sink-tips.....so there's that.

well, test it out. Like I said, it could have just been a bad batch....fortunately I only had about 20' of it plus a few sink tips I had made for steelheading. I've since removed those from the rotation pending further testing.

I really like the airflo stuff since it's really easy to weld. Rio just falls apart on me.
 
I really like the airflo stuff since it's really easy to weld. Rio just falls apart on me.
That and AirFlo has pretty much killed the need for home-made stupid-deep line with the Depthfinder series. Doesn't mean I don't want to mess around with this more in the future. When I do, I'll be stuffing hollow-core braid with various grades of T line. And possibly coating it similar to the original stupid deep line experiment. T-line breaking strength and welds will be irrelevant using 130# hollow core... assuming you can find it in stock: https://www.tackledirect.com/jerry-...tra-braided-line-600yds-130lb-jbr-0016-4.html
 
That and AirFlo has pretty much killed the need for home-made stupid-deep line with the Depthfinder series. Doesn't mean I don't want to mess around with this more in the future. When I do, I'll be stuffing hollow-core braid with various grades of T line. And possibly coating it similar to the original stupid deep line experiment. T-line breaking strength and welds will be irrelevant using 130# hollow core... assuming you can find it in stock: https://www.tackledirect.com/jerry-...tra-braided-line-600yds-130lb-jbr-0016-4.html
whelp, I've got 40' of T18 and 25' of T14 to play around with.... :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

But you're absolutely correct. With the Depthfinder, it's really irrelevant at this point, especially when it probably costs more to try to make one than to get something you know is going to work right off the shelf....

That said, I'm always tinkering....sadly, tinkering also costs money.

Any reason to coat at all if the braid is on the outside and is rather slick already? or is that for more weight?
 
Tinkering costs money yes, but where's the satisfaction in buying everything off the shelf?
that's why I tinker. that's why I tie flies even though I have a certain aspect dialed.

as an aside, is 130lb relatively easy to work the T material into? Or should we be looking at 200lb? At Meltontackle, there are a variety of lb ratings of hollow braid in 100+ yard spools.
 
that's why I tinker. that's why I tie flies even though I have a certain aspect dialed.

as an aside, is 130lb relatively easy to work the T material into? Or should we be looking at 200lb? At Meltontackle, there are a variety of lb ratings of hollow braid in 100+ yard spools.
130# is a guess on my part. Haven't messed with it yet but stuffing hollow core has been done before. I would imagine the braid expands considerably at the expense of some length.
 
130# is a guess on my part. Haven't messed with it yet but stuffing hollow core has been done before. I would imagine the braid expands considerably at the expense of some length.
shit, now I've got it in my cart (along with a 500yd spool of standard PP 65lb for backing.... :rolleyes:
 
apologies to @JayB for sort of taking over your thread....but, at least it's applicable.
 
40 years ago I was given a spool lead core trolling line...I've made several heads for "stupid deep" fishing. Also, I pull off the braided outer fiber and use the core for lead wraps when I tie flies. After 30 years I've probably used 30 yds.

It might be worth a look and it will save you a fortune.


Here's an edit: I made lead core heads and do really well on shad. I have a few lengths depending on the flow.
 
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shit, now I've got it in my cart (along with a 500yd spool of standard PP 65lb for backing.... :rolleyes:
Well if you have any extra, I'll gladly buy some off you ... at some point in the not too distant future when my fishing budget recovers a bit.
 
apologies to @JayB for sort of taking over your thread....but, at least it's applicable.
Happy to read and learn.

Interesting to read that the Depthfinder does as well as the T7/T20 combo since it looks like it has an intermediate running line. Wouldn't have expected that but also perfectly willing to accept testimony from people that have done the in-person testing.
 
I agree that some modern lines have really kinda made me lose interest in getting super creative with stupid deep line setups. It's quite easy to get a Big Game Depthfinder or equivalent down to 30' or more.

At least in regards to Tuna that's plenty for me. There are probably times when getting deeper quicker could be helpful, but for me anyway I'm just not super interested in sitting there deep soaking lines for fish that don't want to come up. I'm just not going to spend time doing it and would rather go find fish that want to come up and play. Of course I'm also running a charter so I can't exactly justify spending a bunch of time not catching fish. If I was just out there fishing for fun I may dedicate more time to it. One of the biggest factors with albacore fishing is that its expensive and you only have so much time out there. Whether on a charter or on your own, it's a lot of financial investment which makes it harder to justify experimenting a ton. There is definitely a time and place for super deep out there, but I just find one of the fast sinking integrated heads is plenty for my needs 99% of the time. I think I just lack the patience needed to really sit there and soak flies as deep as possible. I'd rather just get up and go looking for fish that want to play shallower.

There is no doubt a T17 or T20 head will get down deeper than those other lines, and it's certainly not a bad thing to have such a setup available. Especially if you're willing to spend time deep soaking. I've seen a lot of people soak flies deep while we are stopped and waiting while someone plays a troll fish, and I've seen this produce some fish here and there. What I haven't seen yet is a situation where getting super deep was the difference between getting a few fish in a day and really loading up, though no doubt that's partially explained by my lack of serious time dedicated to it. I think as the years have gone on my experience has just lead me to believe that I'm better off continuing to look for opportunities where I can get the fish up and going shallower rather than sit on fish that are 80' down and not coming up any shallower. The other aspect is that these modern lines are just sooooooo much nicer to cast. They really do cast exceptionally well. So while it certainly wouldn't hurt anything to have a stupid deep setup rigged and fished all day, as you don't HAVE to soak it deep if the fish are up and going hard, casting those lines is a whole different animal and something I don't particularly enjoy if I don't really have to.

I often wish albacore fishing was like other fisheries where one could just drive to the water and experiment without a big financial investment. Maybe next year I'll play around with more of this while I'm casting flies while on bait stops. Doesn't cost me anything to be out there so I have the advantage of being able to experiment more whenever I like.

For bottom fish, however, the faster/deeper the better IMO so such setups definitely still have a place. I've always had an interest in using one of these lines to try for chinook in the ocean as well, though I haven't done it much. Last year we never really saw it as the fish tended to stay out in 300-450' of water, but many years we have good chinook fishing close to the beach in 30-100' of water and I've always wanted to spend time casting flies with super fast sinking lines to see if I could get some kings. That would be a ton of fun.
 
Any reason to coat at all if the braid is on the outside and is rather slick already? or is that for more weight?

Handling would be the issue. Braid is so damned flexible and prone to wrapping/knotting that IMO it's useless - even dangerous to use as a running line. The 130# might be thick enough you could strip it without filleting a finger to a tuna or other large fish. We can discuss offline if you want to give coating a shot.
 
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