Baseball just got a lot better

Professional sports now have budgets in the billions of dollars with some players making hundreds of millions so you can't convince me that there isn't enough money to establish training facilities for umps/refs that would produce fit young men like the players themselves and pay them enough to make it a career.

The interview to get into this facility should have one question - “Do you want to be an umpire”. If the answer is yes, then they should be disqualified and immediately referred for psychological evaluation!

In cricket, the umpires are almost all ex players who played at the top level. They routinely get well over 95% of calls correct. They still get vilified all the time.
 
The interview to get into this facility should have one question - “Do you want to be an umpire”. If the answer is yes, then they should be disqualified and immediately referred for psychological evaluation!
similarly...the conclusion of a joint think tank study of those striving to be POTUS was that those who craved the job the most were the most unsuited for it
 
The interview to get into this facility should have one question - “Do you want to be an umpire”. If the answer is yes, then they should be disqualified and immediately referred for psychological evaluation!

Something that was well covered in one of the better books of our time:

"The major problem, one of the major problems, for there are several, with governing people is that of who you get to do it. Or, rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them. To summarize: it is a well known and much lamented fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made president should on no account be allowed to do the job.

To summarize the summary of the summary: people are a problem."

-Douglas Adams, The Hitch-Hikers Guide to the Galaxy
 
Now that he is gone and his worst efforts are being shown on the internet, MLB looks even more like a bunch of dumb shits than ever. Hunter Wendlestedt should be the next member of the Umpire Hall of Shame along with Angel and Joe West.

And no Jake, he won't be missed. In the real world we don't honor incompetence.
 
I was hoping for some positive news...like, "baseball season shortened to remove 80 irrelevant games"...

dare to dream...
 
Just one more thing before we put this thread to bed. In the 3 main professional sports in this country the umps/refs are basically amateurs that get paid a stipend for their services but get little in the form of actual training and in baseball in particular there are no physical requirements for doing their job. So many are fat slugs some of whom are too overweight to even bend over the plate. I have long maintained that those calling the games should be held to higher standards in much the way that the players are. If you are too old, too fat or with insufficient vision you should not qualify for the job. Add to that a short fuse, thin skin and a belligerent attitude and it is easy to see that some of these guys should be cut from the herd.

Professional sports now have budgets in the billions of dollars with some players making hundreds of millions so you can't convince me that there isn't enough money to establish training facilities for umps/refs that would produce fit young men like the players themselves and pay them enough to make it a career. I am not a huge football fan and don't take the game seriously but I, along with many of you, groan when you see who is reffing a game with your favorite team. Some refs call a shitload of penalties and the game never develops a flow, just a flood of yellow hankies for 3 hours. In baseball umps have been almost an afterthought from the beginning with a low bar having been set for their performance. The umpires union has assured mediocrity. Basketball is probably the most difficult to call given the size of the players and the speed of the game. In recent years the game has become more like rugby with some WWF thrown in and I simply don't watch it anymore. Back when Jerry West, Wilt, Kareem, Oscar Robinson, Larry Bird, Dr.J and others were playing it was a better game. Nowadays a ref with a chip on his shoulder can change the outcome of a championship game by T'ing up a great player or calling phantom fouls that keep a player on the bench.

Fans are the ones that support this madness, they should become more indignant and pro active, start some grass roots campaign to improve the quality of game management by refs/umps and hold the leagues feet to the fire to produce a quality product. Back when a family of 4 could go to a MLB game for around $50 maybe bad umps were just the price of admission but nowadays the average price of a game can run from about $160 to over $300. Fifty dollar umps don't cut it anymore.
This take’s juuust a bit outside. There’s plenty of training and schools for umpires. Then they have to work their way up from the minors, just like the players. And they are extremely well paid.

Side note: I spent an enjoyable evening once talking to a minor league ump in great falls while watching the mermaids.
 
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It has always amazed me how some fans seem to know more about the game than those hired through a somewhat arduous process to call the balls and strikes.
 
There is a reason why electronic pitching calls are a being contemplated/implemented. There is a lack of confidence that umps are capable. If umps can not be removed from their job for poor performance then it is well deserved. I prefer the human element in baseball. But even watching the M's game tonight and listening to the commentators of the game, it is obviously warranted.
 
There is a reason why electronic pitching calls are a being contemplated/implemented. There is a lack of confidence that umps are capable. If umps can not be removed from their job for poor performance then it is well deserved. I prefer the human element in baseball. But even watching the M's game tonight and listening to the commentators of the game, it is obviously warranted.


I too prefer the human element, but I have to wonder if the game has gotten so precise that human beings really aren't capable of keeping up at this point.

Angel Hernandez sucked no doubt, and I'm not sad to see him go, but in 2024 with tiny, precise strike zones, pitchers commonly throwing over 100 mph, pitches that move more than ever before, electronic replay etc I just think we're entering an area where humans, even the non fat ones with great vision, are being asked to do things that may not be very feasible.

A holding or pass interference call in football is a judgement call, so refs are often given some leeway. Same with a charge in basketball. But the strike zone is black and white, conveniently shown electronically on screen for all those watching at home. So a missed call is very obvious. Pretty easy to make those calls from the recliner. Not so easy to make those calls in real time.

It's probably time to look at removing the human element of calling balls/strikes
 
It has always amazed me how some fans seem to know more about the game than those hired through a somewhat arduous process to call the balls and strikes.
Being an amateur just means that you're not getting paid for it. Some amateurs are extremely serious students whose knowledge (although not performance) equals or exceeds that of the pros.
 
It has always amazed me how some fans seem to know more about the game than those hired through a somewhat arduous process to call the balls and strikes.
That's the heart of the issue. With modern tech the fan at home is in a much better position to call balls and strikes than any umpire has ever been during a game. We have an advantage they dont and it makes their job impossible.

I say stop tasking them with something they cant possibly do. If balls and strikes had always somehow been automated, it would be absurd to go the other way and leave it up to some dudes judgment.
 
I'm not going to shit on Umps, 10 years ago before K-zone, the umps largely seemed better, they weren't, we just didn't have K-zone to show they missed a strike. I bet if you count the number of missed balls/stikes over a game, it would be well south of 10% for most games. The other problem is we are now measuring technology on some calls. How good is your camera angle? How clear your freeze frame? How many angles do you have? Once you zoom in, how many air molecules between a base-runners body part and a base (eg, pop-up slide, don't get me started on that one, pop-up slide, if they beat the ball to the base and tag, I don't care how high in the air they go as long as they ore over the bag they're safe, if the overslide, that's different.)

I like the human element, blown calls and all, it's part of the game (after all, Royals won a WS on a supposed blown call!!!!).

Go Royals
 
... And a feel-good story, long overdue...



cheers
 
You guys that are advocating for the "human element" in umpiring are flogging a dead horse. The game has simply passed you by as now there are far more accurate ways to determine balls and strikes that are already being used to correct incorrect calls on the bases and in the field. And yes, a fan that is 3,000 miles away from the action does have a better view of the strike zone than an umpire 2 feet away. That is the crux of the problem, the solution is available and isn't being utilized. That just exacerbates the already pitiful performance of some umpires and frustrates the paying customers who would like to see things done right.

As for the human element ask yourselves if you would rather have the "human element" to land at a socked in airport or trust ILS and an auto pilot to put you safely on the ground. Umpires operate in a similar fog as many have no clear cut idea of where the strike zone is. The Umpire is the modern day equivalent of the railroad unions keeping firemen employed after the introduction of the diesel electric engines. Superfluous at best, infuriating at worst.
 
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