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It seems a lot of barred owls will be killed to save the spotted owl. I haven't been able to learn what they will do with the carcasses. Are the feathers something fly tyers can use? Is there value here that can used for tying or other hobbies? Can that value be used to pay for the program? I know its controversial. Comments? Other info?
 
I'd look at the US F&W for guidance there, but I don't think you're allowed to possess any bird of prey feathers (same with native songbirds).
 
Yeah no owl feathers
 
bobduck said:
It seems a lot of barred owls will be killed to save the spotted owl. I haven't been able to learn what they will do with the carcasses. Are the feathers something fly tyers can use? Is there value here that can used for tying or other hobbies? Can that value be used to pay for the program? I know its controversial. Comments? Other info?
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The problem is it's not going to save spotted owls... complete waste or time money and needless killing.
 
I was in the foothills of Mt Jefferson the other day looking for dragonflies to photograph. I thought there was no one else around but suddenly a voice said, “To be, or not to be. That is the question.” I looked about but couldn't see anyone. Then, the phrase was repeated and it clearly originated above me. I looked up into a fir tree expecting to see a prankster, but it was just a Bard owl.
 
bobduck said:
It seems a lot of barred owls will be killed to save the spotted owl. I haven't been able to learn what they will do with the carcasses. Are the feathers something fly tyers can use? Is there value here that can used for tying or other hobbies? Can that value be used to pay for the program? I know its controversial. Comments? Other info?
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My daughter found a feather in our neighborhood that I'm pretty sure was from a western-screech owl (we have a pair that regularly nests on our block). It had long and webby fibers kind of like a mallard flank. Not a barred owl, but like any owl, I bet they wouldn't be stiff enough. You'd need something in front of it to create a vortex.

To any OSP or Feds reading this, we left it on the ground.
 
clarkman said:
I'd look at the US F&W for guidance there, but I don't think you're allowed to possess any bird of prey feathers (same with native songbirds).
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Seems to me that I saw a reference to a permit allowing possession of these owls. Just seems a shame to kill 30,000 birds and just dump them.
 
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I was in the foothills of Mt Jefferson the other day looking for dragonflies to photograph. I thought there was no one else around but suddenly a voice said, “To be, or not to be. That is the question.” I looked about but couldn't see anyone. Then, the phrase was repeated and it clearly originated above me. I looked up into a fir tree expecting to see a prankster, but it was just a Bard owl.
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LOL - I've tried that joke on people and they never get it.

"We saw a Barred Owl!"

"Really, did it recite some poetry for you?"

"Huh?"
 
bobduck said:
Seems to me that I saw a reference to a permit allowing possession of these owls. Just seems a shame to kill 30,000 birds and just dump them.
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I don't disagree
 
Every time I hear another one of these stories I cringe. The latest was our stalwart WDFW supports of native fish and wildlife killing off the Smallmouth Bass in a particular stretch of the upper Spokane river. Neat idea except that adjacent Smallmouth populations in the river will repopulate that stretch rather quickly. And the best part - that particular part of the river gets too warm in the summer to support trout. What a f'ing waste of time and tax dollars. Barred owls have been better at adapting to the changes man has brought to the environment than the Spotted owls. How do we respond? We're going to kill 30,000 of em. Brilliant! o_O
 
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In Northern California the spotted owl is still "a thing". I've been told that they are extremely prolific. Before a land owner can log his property, it must be "checked out" for any Spotted Owls......Of course those land owners, with thousands of dollars worth of timber, would never try to shoot any Spotted Owls that might be discovered by the biologists that would be looking for them....(sarcasm)....unintended consequences.
 
clarkman said:
I'd look at the US F&W for guidance there, but I don't think you're allowed to possess any bird of prey feathers (same with native songbirds).
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The US F&W has a great feather ID resource. https://www.fws.gov/lab/featheratlas/feathers-and-the-law.php
It has this info about native North American bird feathers and parts: (I wonder how it's legal for us to possess some fly tying feathers, such as grouse?

FEATHERS AND THE LAW


The possession of feathers and other parts of native North American birds without a permit is prohibited by the Migratory Bird Treaty Act (MBTA). This protects wild birds by preventing their killing by collectors and the commercial trade in their feathers, and extends to all feathers, regardless of how they were obtained. There is no exemption for molted feathers or those taken from road- or window-killed birds. More information on the Migratory Bird Treaty Act, and the list of MBTA-protected species can be found here.


Exceptions do exist for the feathers of legally-hunted waterfowl or other migratory gamebirds, and for the use of feathers by Native Americans. For more information, see the FAQ page.


Individuals or institutions wishing to use bird feathers, bones, or whole specimens for educational or research purposes must apply for permits from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and their state wildlife or natural resource agency. See here.
 
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