Any use the Garmin InReach?

I'm a new Zoleo user. I got the deal back in October when Amazon dropped the price to $141. They are now $128!

I bought mine because we camped on the John Day for 3 days/2 nights. I really liked having it and using it. My buddy had a new iPhone so could also do the satellite thing...sometimes. In a canyon, there were plenty of times when he would have a satellite to send a text, but then that satellite would go behind the south wall and he would have to try and catch the next one. I never had to worry about that with the Zoleo. You also have to use the iPhone satellite app and literally point your phone at the satellite. The Zoleo can just sit in the boat or on your gear bag with-in 150' of your phone and you're good. Much easier.

I was on the basic $20 per month plan which gives you 75 included texts. Plenty for my needs on a 3 day river trip. I like the check-in feature and having a SOS button. The check-in feature sends the GPS coordinates to your pre-set contacts and doesn't count in your 75 included texts. So check-ins are unlimited. Pretty cool.

I carry an external/portable 12500 mAh power bank that I use to charge my phone and could've also used to charge the Zoleo. I didn't charge the Zoleo and left it on the whole time for 72 hours and it still had 40% battery. The pairing with my Samsung S23 was super easy and I was impressed with the nearly instant texting. The user experience was much better than the iPhone.
I currently have it "parked" for $4 a month and can go back to any plan w/out any fee.

I highly recommend!
 
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Jerry:
I have had the Inreach Mini version 1 for several years.
I learned its use in pretty good detail, used it on multiday Sierra wilderness trips, and was even scheduled to give a lesson on it at the local REI in 2020 (cancelled for obvious reasons), and I have that powerpoint still.

All that said, I am glad I have it, but if I were buying first time now, I would re-research it all given what I understand now. So I'll try to point some of those things out.

I am glad I can subscribe to a rescue insurance, SARS100, yearly, having a Garmin device.

I used it mostly for sending daily preset messages with my location attached, and for tracking. I also could send messages to other trip mates in the wilderness if they also had the Inreach. I tracked on wilderness trips so that if I disappeared or dropped out of contact, they(someone at home or online) could see my last sent location, which uploads at a preprogrammed interval to the satellite system and hence to my Mapshare.

OK, what are the issues to consider?

1. Expectations on texting.

This is not like a phone on a cellular network with instant communication and back and forth conversations.
Satellite connections are intermittent, with 11 satellites in each of 6 circumpolar orbits on the Iridium network.
So when you send a text, it could be 15-20 minutes before it gets sent up to a satellite, and a reply from someone could take equally as long. I know current statements say 10 minute intervals but the satellite network has not changed, so I think the 10 min claim is fudging the numbers.

A friend I have who is a doctor hated the InReach and returned it. For emergencies he wants easy to use real time communications. He rents a sat phone for wilderness trips.

You will also not text back and forth with your spouse about planning your next vacation together.

The InReach mini 3 plus has some more options, but I can't tell if it actually does back and forth texting any faster or not. Or if the voice messages it can send still have the same hold up waiting for a satellite like texting does.

I would pay attention to the networks and the back and forth speed before making a choice today. I think Inreach and Zoleo both use the Iridium network, so that's probably equivalent.


2. What about composing text and will you use it paired with your phone? How about during emergencies, when you will need to compose text rather than sending preset messages?

composing text on the Inreach mini as a standalone device is slow and tedious. There is no keyboard. For basic use, sending preset messages you have created already in you online account works fine and the SOS button is there.

but if you did an SOS and then need to communicate with search and rescue, input as a stand alone device, esp when stressed, may not work if you have not already practiced and become adept with it as standalone.

3. Pairing with phone.

This is the solution for ease of texting. now you can use your phone keyboard as the input device. Works fine.
So before a trip, I always made sure I was set up and practiced to pair with phone if I had an emergency.

Downside of constant paired status is obviously battery usage on phone and for bluetooth power. But if you are not doing multi-day trips, and your phone is always going to be on, and battery usage is not a concern, you can be paired all the time and input text from the phone, in an app.

If you are always paired, inputting text during an emergency will be natural, but what about the app?

4. Apps, screens, and other options.

If you are going to be paired with a phone all the time anyway....

you could go with the Zoleo device. It is reputed to be much more user friendly in its app on the phone, and integrates with phone texting better. It has no screen but there are hard buttons for key functions in case you were not paired and needed to signal and SOS or send a preset message. It can do tracking. I would seriously consider this if I were buying my first device now.

The Inreach mini version one uses the Earthmate app, which is like a separate app altogether that you happen to be able to pair. It is not a dedicated app that mirrors the functions of the Inreach mini itself. After learning the ins and outs of the the InReach mini as a stand alone device, not trivial, the Earthmate app created a whole new level of confusion for me. OK, I got over it, reset my expectations, and learned it, but it was not at all simple and there was some trial and error.

[I dont know if Inreach 3 still uses Earthmate (a legacy app from De Lorme, I think) or if it has finally become integrated into the Garmin GPS system with Garmin software apps)

I do like that without my InReach, on local hikes, I can use my phone with Earthmate app for GPS, and start and end tracking in the Earthmate app, and see my path later on in my online Garmin account.

5. iPhone.

The iPhone satellite texting option works for me, but I did have to learn how to use it properly with the aiming aid it provides. It did not "just work" and this may lead others, and me initially, to say it does not work reliably. You have to use the initial aiming help. I have had no problems sending text messages home when at remote locations using iPhone 15 pro.

cellular phones using satellite networks raises an interesting question. Do these systems provide more frequent, or even continuous, satellite network connectivity, compared to the Iridium system which is unambiguously only intermittent.

Satellite connectivity depends on both your phone, and your carrier.

Maybe someone else on this forum knows.

It satellite connectivity, using your phone/carrier and its satellite networks, continuous or near continuous, this might be the differentiator that allows real back and forth texting, with loved ones, or with search and rescue.


FINALLY

Beware claims that say text send in seconds. Once a device is connected to a satellite, it may only take seconds to upload the text. But it might take many minutes of waiting before a connection is found, at least with devices on the Iridium network.

Jay
 
Jerry:
I have had the Inreach Mini version 1 for several years.
I learned its use in pretty good detail, used it on multiday Sierra wilderness trips, and was even scheduled to give a lesson on it at the local REI in 2020 (cancelled for obvious reasons), and I have that powerpoint still.

All that said, I am glad I have it, but if I were buying first time now, I would re-research it all given what I understand now. So I'll try to point some of those things out.

I am glad I can subscribe to a rescue insurance, SARS100, yearly, having a Garmin device.

I used it mostly for sending daily preset messages with my location attached, and for tracking. I also could send messages to other trip mates in the wilderness if they also had the Inreach. I tracked on wilderness trips so that if I disappeared or dropped out of contact, they(someone at home or online) could see my last sent location, which uploads at a preprogrammed interval to the satellite system and hence to my Mapshare.

OK, what are the issues to consider?

1. Expectations on texting.

This is not like a phone on a cellular network with instant communication and back and forth conversations.
Satellite connections are intermittent, with 11 satellites in each of 6 circumpolar orbits on the Iridium network.
So when you send a text, it could be 15-20 minutes before it gets sent up to a satellite, and a reply from someone could take equally as long. I know current statements say 10 minute intervals but the satellite network has not changed, so I think the 10 min claim is fudging the numbers.

A friend I have who is a doctor hated the InReach and returned it. For emergencies he wants easy to use real time communications. He rents a sat phone for wilderness trips.

You will also not text back and forth with your spouse about planning your next vacation together.

The InReach mini 3 plus has some more options, but I can't tell if it actually does back and forth texting any faster or not. Or if the voice messages it can send still have the same hold up waiting for a satellite like texting does.

I would pay attention to the networks and the back and forth speed before making a choice today. I think Inreach and Zoleo both use the Iridium network, so that's probably equivalent.


2. What about composing text and will you use it paired with your phone? How about during emergencies, when you will need to compose text rather than sending preset messages?

composing text on the Inreach mini as a standalone device is slow and tedious. There is no keyboard. For basic use, sending preset messages you have created already in you online account works fine and the SOS button is there.

but if you did an SOS and then need to communicate with search and rescue, input as a stand alone device, esp when stressed, may not work if you have not already practiced and become adept with it as standalone.

3. Pairing with phone.

This is the solution for ease of texting. now you can use your phone keyboard as the input device. Works fine.
So before a trip, I always made sure I was set up and practiced to pair with phone if I had an emergency.

Downside of constant paired status is obviously battery usage on phone and for bluetooth power. But if you are not doing multi-day trips, and your phone is always going to be on, and battery usage is not a concern, you can be paired all the time and input text from the phone, in an app.

If you are always paired, inputting text during an emergency will be natural, but what about the app?

4. Apps, screens, and other options.

If you are going to be paired with a phone all the time anyway....

you could go with the Zoleo device. It is reputed to be much more user friendly in its app on the phone, and integrates with phone texting better. It has no screen but there are hard buttons for key functions in case you were not paired and needed to signal and SOS or send a preset message. It can do tracking. I would seriously consider this if I were buying my first device now.

The Inreach mini version one uses the Earthmate app, which is like a separate app altogether that you happen to be able to pair. It is not a dedicated app that mirrors the functions of the Inreach mini itself. After learning the ins and outs of the the InReach mini as a stand alone device, not trivial, the Earthmate app created a whole new level of confusion for me. OK, I got over it, reset my expectations, and learned it, but it was not at all simple and there was some trial and error.

[I dont know if Inreach 3 still uses Earthmate (a legacy app from De Lorme, I think) or if it has finally become integrated into the Garmin GPS system with Garmin software apps)

I do like that without my InReach, on local hikes, I can use my phone with Earthmate app for GPS, and start and end tracking in the Earthmate app, and see my path later on in my online Garmin account.

5. iPhone.

The iPhone satellite texting option works for me, but I did have to learn how to use it properly with the aiming aid it provides. It did not "just work" and this may lead others, and me initially, to say it does not work reliably. You have to use the initial aiming help. I have had no problems sending text messages home when at remote locations using iPhone 15 pro.

cellular phones using satellite networks raises an interesting question. Do these systems provide more frequent, or even continuous, satellite network connectivity, compared to the Iridium system which is unambiguously only intermittent.

Satellite connectivity depends on both your phone, and your carrier.

Maybe someone else on this forum knows.

It satellite connectivity, using your phone/carrier and its satellite networks, continuous or near continuous, this might be the differentiator that allows real back and forth texting, with loved ones, or with search and rescue.


FINALLY

Beware claims that say text send in seconds. Once a device is connected to a satellite, it may only take seconds to upload the text. But it might take many minutes of waiting before a connection is found, at least with devices on the Iridium network.

Jay
gold...
 
The entire landscape of 'off-grid' communications is changing very rapidly right now....................
For off-grid communications there are two components. One is in camp, your vehicle or boat. The other is off-trail.

For camp, vehicle, or boat situations the solution is StarLink. I have had it for over five years now and it just works. You get complete phone and internet service. It is runs at 100-400 mbps just below the fiber optic speed of 500 at my house. It has always worked.

I do carry three solar panels, four batteries, and one generator to make sure ALL the toys stayed fully charged at all times, including the cell phone.

The other concern with communication off-trail is a work in progress. T-Mobile has signed an agreement with SpaceX to provide direct text to satellite service.

Details here: https://www.t-mobile.com/coverage/satellite-phone-service

Historically, T-Mobile service has been awful in back-country areas, but a friend in the cellular industry tells me that are trying to catch up by putting in more towers. My Verizon service on the other hand, has gotten worse and worse over the years in back-country areas and even in town. I was using it in wi-fi mode almost everywhere. I can do that with StarLink and T-Mobile as well.

I have not had a chance to use it in SAT mode. The newer SpaceX satellites have the direct to phone connection and number about 650. Judging by the initial roll-out by SpaceX on StarLink I have pretty good confidence that they will probably pull it off.

So are there any T-Mobile customers outside the cell network that have tested the SAT connection???

What I would like to see is a APP that allows you to dial 911 quickly and easily and automatically have your lat and long transmitted with the 911 message. I cannot see typing a lat long into a text message in an emergency.
 
@509 - thank you for expressing your experiences and well thought out post.

I agree that the landscape is changing very quickly, and for the better. AST SpaceMobile is growing rapidly, has major investors/partners and even some multi-national as well as US government contracts. Starllink is ahead of them - not going to say more....

Give it a couple years, maybe cell towers will no longer be required....
 
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I'm a new Zoleo user. I got the deal back in October when Amazon dropped the price to $141. They are now $128!

I bought mine because we camped on the John Day for 3 days/2 nights. I really liked having it and using it. My buddy had a new iPhone so could also do the satellite thing...sometimes. In a canyon, there were plenty of times when he would have a satellite to send a text, but then that satellite would go behind the south wall and he would have to try and catch the next one. I never had to worry about that with the Zoleo. You also have to use the iPhone satellite app and literally point your phone at the satellite. The Zoleo can just sit in the boat or on your gear bag with-in 150' of your phone and you're good. Much easier.

I was on the basic $20 per month plan which gives you 75 included texts. Plenty for my needs on a 3 day river trip. I like the check-in feature and having a SOS button. The check-in feature sends the GPS coordinates to your pre-set contacts and doesn't count in your 75 included texts. So check-ins are unlimited. Pretty cool.

I carry an external/portable 12500 mAh power bank that I use to charge my phone and could've also used to charge the Zoleo. I didn't charge the Zoleo and left it on the whole time for 72 hours and it still had 40% battery. The pairing with my Samsung S23 was super easy and I was impressed with the nearly instant texting. The user experience was much better than the iPhone.
I currently have it "parked" for $4 a month and can go back to any plan w/out any fee.

I highly recommend!
Skyriver...

great input.

reflecting on my own post, I have some questions about Zoleo.

1. Do you get search and rescue insurance through Zoleo, or elsewhere?

2. Do you have an account where tracking routes are stored and viewed. A mapshare type link so others can see your route, independent of your account log in.

3. When you have the Zoleo app on your phone, can it use the phones GPS, and can you record tracks with phone and app, without the Zoleo.

Jay
 
For off-grid communications there are two components. One is in camp, your vehicle or boat. The other is off-trail.

For camp, vehicle, or boat situations the solution is StarLink. I have had it for over five years now and it just works. You get complete phone and internet service. It is runs at 100-400 mbps just below the fiber optic speed of 500 at my house. It has always worked.

I do carry three solar panels, four batteries, and one generator to make sure ALL the toys stayed fully charged at all times, including the cell phone.

The other concern with communication off-trail is a work in progress. T-Mobile has signed an agreement with SpaceX to provide direct text to satellite service.

Details here: https://www.t-mobile.com/coverage/satellite-phone-service

Historically, T-Mobile service has been awful in back-country areas, but a friend in the cellular industry tells me that are trying to catch up by putting in more towers. My Verizon service on the other hand, has gotten worse and worse over the years in back-country areas and even in town. I was using it in wi-fi mode almost everywhere. I can do that with StarLink and T-Mobile as well.

I have not had a chance to use it in SAT mode. The newer SpaceX satellites have the direct to phone connection and number about 650. Judging by the initial roll-out by SpaceX on StarLink I have pretty good confidence that they will probably pull it off.

So are there any T-Mobile customers outside the cell network that have tested the SAT connection???

What I would like to see is a APP that allows you to dial 911 quickly and easily and automatically have your lat and long transmitted with the 911 message. I cannot see typing a lat long into a text message in an emergency.
I'm pretty sure that any of the SOS features, whether on GPS device or cellular phone, will automatically include location coordinates.

On the Inreach system, and I can and do choose in the settings to include location coordinates with every outgoing message.

if you want a dedicated app, My GPS Coordinates app is an example: "Easily share your GPS location via email, text messaging, Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp, etc. "
 
For off-grid communications there are two components. One is in camp, your vehicle or boat. The other is off-trail.

For camp, vehicle, or boat situations the solution is StarLink. I have had it for over five years now and it just works. You get complete phone and internet service. It is runs at 100-400 mbps just below the fiber optic speed of 500 at my house. It has always worked.

I do carry three solar panels, four batteries, and one generator to make sure ALL the toys stayed fully charged at all times, including the cell phone.

The other concern with communication off-trail is a work in progress. T-Mobile has signed an agreement with SpaceX to provide direct text to satellite service.

Details here: https://www.t-mobile.com/coverage/satellite-phone-service

Historically, T-Mobile service has been awful in back-country areas, but a friend in the cellular industry tells me that are trying to catch up by putting in more towers. My Verizon service on the other hand, has gotten worse and worse over the years in back-country areas and even in town. I was using it in wi-fi mode almost everywhere. I can do that with StarLink and T-Mobile as well.

I have not had a chance to use it in SAT mode. The newer SpaceX satellites have the direct to phone connection and number about 650. Judging by the initial roll-out by SpaceX on StarLink I have pretty good confidence that they will probably pull it off.

So are there any T-Mobile customers outside the cell network that have tested the SAT connection???

What I would like to see is a APP that allows you to dial 911 quickly and easily and automatically have your lat and long transmitted with the 911 message. I cannot see typing a lat long into a text message in an emergency.
Elon gets not one cent of my money if I can help it. I'll die on the trail first!
Though of course I pay my taxes, so he's getting some of it....against my will.
 
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Jerry:
I have had the Inreach Mini version 1 for several years.
I learned its use in pretty good detail, used it on multiday Sierra wilderness trips, and was even scheduled to give a lesson on it at the local REI in 2020 (cancelled for obvious reasons), and I have that powerpoint still.

All that said, I am glad I have it, but if I were buying first time now, I would re-research it all given what I understand now. So I'll try to point some of those things out.

I am glad I can subscribe to a rescue insurance, SARS100, yearly, having a Garmin device.

I used it mostly for sending daily preset messages with my location attached, and for tracking. I also could send messages to other trip mates in the wilderness if they also had the Inreach. I tracked on wilderness trips so that if I disappeared or dropped out of contact, they(someone at home or online) could see my last sent location, which uploads at a preprogrammed interval to the satellite system and hence to my Mapshare.

OK, what are the issues to consider?

1. Expectations on texting.

This is not like a phone on a cellular network with instant communication and back and forth conversations.
Satellite connections are intermittent, with 11 satellites in each of 6 circumpolar orbits on the Iridium network.
So when you send a text, it could be 15-20 minutes before it gets sent up to a satellite, and a reply from someone could take equally as long. I know current statements say 10 minute intervals but the satellite network has not changed, so I think the 10 min claim is fudging the numbers.

A friend I have who is a doctor hated the InReach and returned it. For emergencies he wants easy to use real time communications. He rents a sat phone for wilderness trips.

You will also not text back and forth with your spouse about planning your next vacation together.

The InReach mini 3 plus has some more options, but I can't tell if it actually does back and forth texting any faster or not. Or if the voice messages it can send still have the same hold up waiting for a satellite like texting does.

I would pay attention to the networks and the back and forth speed before making a choice today. I think Inreach and Zoleo both use the Iridium network, so that's probably equivalent.


2. What about composing text and will you use it paired with your phone? How about during emergencies, when you will need to compose text rather than sending preset messages?

composing text on the Inreach mini as a standalone device is slow and tedious. There is no keyboard. For basic use, sending preset messages you have created already in you online account works fine and the SOS button is there.

but if you did an SOS and then need to communicate with search and rescue, input as a stand alone device, esp when stressed, may not work if you have not already practiced and become adept with it as standalone.

3. Pairing with phone.

This is the solution for ease of texting. now you can use your phone keyboard as the input device. Works fine.
So before a trip, I always made sure I was set up and practiced to pair with phone if I had an emergency.

Downside of constant paired status is obviously battery usage on phone and for bluetooth power. But if you are not doing multi-day trips, and your phone is always going to be on, and battery usage is not a concern, you can be paired all the time and input text from the phone, in an app.

If you are always paired, inputting text during an emergency will be natural, but what about the app?

4. Apps, screens, and other options.

If you are going to be paired with a phone all the time anyway....

you could go with the Zoleo device. It is reputed to be much more user friendly in its app on the phone, and integrates with phone texting better. It has no screen but there are hard buttons for key functions in case you were not paired and needed to signal and SOS or send a preset message. It can do tracking. I would seriously consider this if I were buying my first device now.

The Inreach mini version one uses the Earthmate app, which is like a separate app altogether that you happen to be able to pair. It is not a dedicated app that mirrors the functions of the Inreach mini itself. After learning the ins and outs of the the InReach mini as a stand alone device, not trivial, the Earthmate app created a whole new level of confusion for me. OK, I got over it, reset my expectations, and learned it, but it was not at all simple and there was some trial and error.

[I dont know if Inreach 3 still uses Earthmate (a legacy app from De Lorme, I think) or if it has finally become integrated into the Garmin GPS system with Garmin software apps)

I do like that without my InReach, on local hikes, I can use my phone with Earthmate app for GPS, and start and end tracking in the Earthmate app, and see my path later on in my online Garmin account.

5. iPhone.

The iPhone satellite texting option works for me, but I did have to learn how to use it properly with the aiming aid it provides. It did not "just work" and this may lead others, and me initially, to say it does not work reliably. You have to use the initial aiming help. I have had no problems sending text messages home when at remote locations using iPhone 15 pro.

cellular phones using satellite networks raises an interesting question. Do these systems provide more frequent, or even continuous, satellite network connectivity, compared to the Iridium system which is unambiguously only intermittent.

Satellite connectivity depends on both your phone, and your carrier.

Maybe someone else on this forum knows.

It satellite connectivity, using your phone/carrier and its satellite networks, continuous or near continuous, this might be the differentiator that allows real back and forth texting, with loved ones, or with search and rescue.


FINALLY

Beware claims that say text send in seconds. Once a device is connected to a satellite, it may only take seconds to upload the text. But it might take many minutes of waiting before a connection is found, at least with devices on the Iridium network.

Jay
unfortunately you put way too much info for me to read. I may have to have my wife read it for me and give me the info. Or I'll sit some time and try and read it.

Thank you for the info. I really appreciate it. Just my brain still won't take long info very fast
 
Longtime InReach user here. I rarely travel anywhere without it. It goes in my carry-on bag when I fly - just in case of an Alive situation. I have dash mounts for it in a couple rigs too so it can send tracking data regularly when I'm on the move in remote locations and might need someone to find me. They work best in a vertical orientation, so the mount wins over just tossing it on the dash.

I also have a Starlink Mini in a magnetic mount for mobile use. That's been a game changer, but comes with its own set of mounting and wiring challenges and obviously isn't as portable.

I've sent and received email with my Yaesu ham radio. If you think the keyboard on the InReach is hard to use, that's a whole new level. APRS is cool, but stops working when out of repeater range and can't be used in Mexico because there's no license reciprocity. Radio rules in Mexico basically restrict you to FRS, but everyone uses marine VHF on land or just goes fully illegal GMRS. Very annoying...
 
Longtime InReach user here. I rarely travel anywhere without it. It goes in my carry-on bag when I fly - just in case of an Alive situation. I have dash mounts for it in a couple rigs too so it can send tracking data regularly when I'm on the move in remote locations and might need someone to find me. They work best in a vertical orientation, so the mount wins over just tossing it on the dash.

I also have a Starlink Mini in a magnetic mount for mobile use. That's been a game changer, but comes with its own set of mounting and wiring challenges and obviously isn't as portable.

I've sent and received email with my Yaesu ham radio. If you think the keyboard on the InReach is hard to use, that's a whole new level. APRS is cool, but stops working when out of repeater range and can't be used in Mexico because there's no license reciprocity. Radio rules in Mexico basically restrict you to FRS, but everyone uses marine VHF on land or just goes fully illegal GMRS. Very annoying...
Dashmount? Sounds like a good idea. Can you clue me in to brands or sources?
Jay
 
I started carrying the in reach in the truck. If I'm paying for it, figured I might as well use it all the time. Never know when you're going to get into some sticky situation on the road - maybe a wreck and your phone breaks? I don't know, but figured it's good to carry just in case it's needed.
 
I'm curious about the Garmin InReach. I don't have that or any kind of personal rescue beacon.

I think the next time I upgrade my cell phone, it will have the ability to connect to a satellite. If I could send texts or call 911 from anywhere, that would be enough for me.
I have this on my phone but it is far from fool proof, especially when you are in the trees. I understand the inReach is a little more powerful, and most importantly the battery far longer lasting
 
.............I also have a Starlink Mini in a magnetic mount for mobile use. That's been a game changer, but comes with its own set of mounting and wiring challenges and obviously isn't as portable...........
I had my second home in the direct path of the Labor Mountain Fire and got to visit with lots of folks from the overhead on the incident team.

Everyone of them had a StarLink Mini on the dash of their truck. That included personal vehicles on the fire duty as well as agency vehicles.

If it works for a incident emergency why wouldn't it work for the "average joe"??
 
I had my second home in the direct path of the Labor Mountain Fire and got to visit with lots of folks from the overhead on the incident team.

Everyone of them had a StarLink Mini on the dash of their truck. That included personal vehicles on the fire duty as well as agency vehicles.

If it works for a incident emergency why wouldn't it work for the "average joe"??
Starlink is great. Used it on a few flights this year, the internet was better than the land based internet available at the Doha airport. I was telling family/friends "hold on, I'll text you after my plane takes off". Imagine that
 
Skyriver...

great input.

reflecting on my own post, I have some questions about Zoleo.

1. Do you get search and rescue insurance through Zoleo, or elsewhere?

2. Do you have an account where tracking routes are stored and viewed. A mapshare type link so others can see your route, independent of your account log in.

3. When you have the Zoleo app on your phone, can it use the phones GPS, and can you record tracks with phone and app, without the Zoleo.

Jay
Sorry, didn't see this.
1- Yep. Looks like it's $40 for 1 rescue per year. Total covered up to $50k. I don't have that.
2- Yep, looks like they call it Zoleo Track. I don't do that either.
3- You cannot record tracks in the app just using your phone's GPS. The Zoleo has to be on.
 
I had my second home in the direct path of the Labor Mountain Fire and got to visit with lots of folks from the overhead on the incident team.

Everyone of them had a StarLink Mini on the dash of their truck. That included personal vehicles on the fire duty as well as agency vehicles.

If it works for a incident emergency why wouldn't it work for the "average joe"??
My summer cabin is not far from there (4 1/2 miles south of Liberty) and I was watching the flames at night too. I've tried just tossing the Starlink Mini on the dash and it sorta works until you turn the wrong way. The amount of glass in your windshield probably makes a big difference. It sucked in my 4Runner. The mag mount on the roof is rock solid. I've seen suction mounts for the inside of a sunroof that would probably work okay.
 
My summer cabin is not far from there (4 1/2 miles south of Liberty) and I was watching the flames at night too. I've tried just tossing the Starlink Mini on the dash and it sorta works until you turn the wrong way. The amount of glass in your windshield probably makes a big difference. It sucked in my 4Runner. The mag mount on the roof is rock solid. I've seen suction mounts for the inside of a sunroof that would probably work okay.
StarLink is NOT going to have the characteristics of fiber optic underground line.

Anything with an ANTENNA is going to have situations where it doesn't work well, or in some cases at all. Law enforcement radio's, Forest Service radio's, cell phones, etc etc.

But once you know how the antenna system works, it is fairly easy to get into situations where it works. Satellite antenna's do not work well under tree canopies.
 
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