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Oregon pretty much “legalized” drugs…
The results speak for themselves…
Crime, ODs, Homelessness, etc…
Are UP
The difference between legalization and decriminalization is vast. It's the difference between buying your fish out of the trunk of a car instead of a grocery store.

They stopped punishing people for using drugs. Thats a good thing in my opinion. Unfortunately they maintain, and therefore support and create, all the other shitty parts of prohibition. Like cartels, violence, theft and disease.
 
The difference between legalization and decriminalization is vast. It's the difference between buying your fish out of the trunk of a car instead of a grocery store.

They stopped punishing people for using drugs. Thats a good thing in my opinion. Unfortunately they maintain, and therefore support and create, all the other shitty parts of prohibition. Like cartels, violence, theft and disease.
Yeah, but the addictions bring out behaviors that affect my family and myself in our day to day activities. Simple. Stick and carrot. And to clarify I’m a much bigger fan of a carrot, eg mandatory rehab and no criminal record, but there HAS to be a stick for when the carrot fails. I’m no expert in addiction, but I have helped a good friend navigate those waters.
 
Yeah, but the addictions bring out behaviors that affect my family and myself in our day to day activities. Simple. Stick and carrot. And to clarify I’m a much bigger fan of a carrot, eg mandatory rehab and no criminal record, but there HAS to be a stick for when the carrot fails. I’m no expert in addiction, but I have helped a good friend navigate those waters.
100%. And those ways that affect you and yours should have legal recourse. Theft is theft. Assault is assault and trespass is trespass. Addicts should not get a pass to commit crimes just because they are addicts.

I guess my point is how much of that theft, assault, trespass, etc... is a function of the actual drug use, and how much is a function of it being a powder that costs .02$/g to make and costs the user 100$/g? How much crime is committed to afford an addiction by people who cannot work because of the stigma of their addiction? That cost is a reflection of the danger of creation/transport/distribution, not the actual costs associated with it. If a proper drug habit had the same cost as a routine drinking habit, or cost similar to cigarettes, would people be willing to kill and batter for them? Would people feel the cost was so insurmountable that normal jobs wouldnt support it?
 
Yeah, that was pretty much my point but maybe I took it a bit deeper. I responded to a comment that someone “felt bad for the dogs owned by homeless people” or something of that nature. To me that implies that homeless dogs live a poor life and homeless people are not capable or deserving of being pet owners. That concept rubs me the wrong way for a variety of reasons.
D.H. Lawrence’s “Self-Pity” (I remember this from GI Jane with Demi Moore and Viggo Mortenson.. to name a few.)

I never saw a wild thing

sorry for itself.

A small bird will drop frozen dead from a bough

without ever having felt sorry for itself.


Regarding anyone, but no one in specific, wondering why it's hard to get healthcare workers.. despite the pay and/or bonuses that may or may not be offered. A combination of Covid and just case load is the reason. Healthcare is a tough job, even on the best days! You see people at there worst, sick, depressed or whatever is going on. People are impatient and "want" stuff.. many have diagnosed themselves on the internet and may not believe the doctor, nurse or whomever is helping them.

I worked for a year and a half at the UW Hospital in the Histology department, part of Pathology and that was an eye opeing experience for me! My mother, bless her, was a Director of Nursing at a local eastside nursing home for at least 20 years! I voluteered there periodically and sometimes just visited her residents, many of who had outlived their children and recieved no visitors. That doesn't include the people who leave their parents / loved ones in a place and almost never visit, if they do at all.

Both of these made me realize early on I did not want to be in the healthcare field. I was great a "pushing buttons" for many years as a web developer and consultant. I took a break 10+ years ago and while I may go back to IT, it will be in a different role. I've changed carreers many times, as things like fly fishing and other passions (I don't call them hobbies anymore) do more to help with my mental health and general happiness!

Mental health and drugs are a big part of the problem, but social inequity, is probably even bigger. Still we as individuals need to be responsible for ourselves, hopefully with the help of family and friends (when things get tough).

There is no easy answer, and on my recent trip to downtown Seattle I was not thrilled to see the situation.

We need to do something, not just ignore them or throw them in jail (some need to be put in jail). We need to help them to help themselves, at least the ones that want the help! Rents and housing costs are tough in our area.. it may slow down, but not right away!

It's gotten worse, and other than trips down to the Seahawks game Sunday and down to Hula Hula for a worthy fly fishing event next week, I will probably not go back to Seattle anytime soon. I will get back to volunteering at some local food banks, as I have more time than money. I would encourage anyone who has the time to do so.

Bill
 
The answer to all problems in society comes down to money, influenced by values and attitudes.

As to the former - we will never reach social economic parity while those who make the most money pay the least share of their income. I imagine the majority if not all of us on the forum pay our fair share of taxes on earned income. Conversely, we have corporations, billionaires and multi-millionaires paying zero due to clever accounting and tax rules heavily influenced by lobbyists and political contributors. If we had a fair flat tax acrss the board wth zero exemptions, we would generate the revenue required to start building a safety net for the salvageable on the streets, as well as address our heatlh care and education problems.

,As to the latter - some look down on the homelss as merely lacking the will to bootstrap to a better life. Whereas thay may be true of some, it does not apply to all.
Many are on the street because of purely economic calamity, or are low functioning brain damaged children of severe alcoholics and drug addicts, and than there are the vets. There are over 33,000 vets on the streets of America, who gave for a country who is not giving back, many of them with severe PTSD undertreated by a chronically mismanaged and underperforming VA. And many are drug addicts who were introduced to drugs via pain medication given during treatment for battlefield wounds. PTSD and opiates would test the strongest of us, and it has.

As to the truly criminal and insane, the hard core feral addicts who want nothing but the next hit.
Lock them up, dry them out, get them into a program. They either make it, or it's just rinse and repeat. Society has always had the dregs at the very bottom who wil never function in society, and have little desire to do so.
 
The answer to all problems in society comes down to money, influenced by values and attitudes.

As to the former - we will never reach social economic parity while those who make the most money pay the least share of their income. I imagine the majority if not all of us on the forum pay our fair share of taxes on earned income. Conversely, we have corporations, billionaires and multi-millionaires paying zero due to clever accounting and tax rules heavily influenced by lobbyists and political contributors. If we had a fair flat tax acrss the board wth zero exemptions, we would generate the revenue required to start building a safety net for the salvageable on the streets, as well as address our heatlh care and education problems.

,As to the latter - some look down on the homelss as merely lacking the will to bootstrap to a better life. Whereas thay may be true of some, it does not apply to all.
Many are on the street because of purely economic calamity, or are low functioning brain damaged children of severe alcoholics and drug addicts, and than there are the vets. There are over 33,000 vets on the streets of America, who gave for a country who is not giving back, many of them with severe PTSD undertreated by a chronically mismanaged and underperforming VA. And many are drug addicts who were introduced to drugs via pain medication given during treatment for battlefield wounds. PTSD and opiates would test the strongest of us, and it has.

As to the truly criminal and insane, the hard core feral addicts who want nothing but the next hit.
Lock them up, dry them out, get them into a program. They either make it, or it's just rinse and repeat. Society has always had the dregs at the very bottom who wil never function in society, and have little desire to do so.

Taxes are the drug and addiction of government. You could supply more and they would waste and squander more. Without accountability for spending it doesn't matter. Bills need to be one issue bills devoid of pork and riders. The folks in government should spend as if it's their own money or better yet spend as if they were accountable to the people they serve. Raising taxes won't do a thing if they treat the funds like petty cash. The top ten percent pay 75 percent of tax revenues collected so what's a fair share?

If I were king we would flat tax. I would tax you at the same percentage as the richest of the rich. If you made under 35k I wouldn't want a dime. A tree needs to grow and bare fruit before you prune and harvest it. And you don't want to kill the tree. Small businesses and individuals are that tree.
 
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Where is the incentive for those in charge of these people to fix it?They probably make a nice wage say in the neighborhood of six figures,would you work yourself out of a nice job that pays that much?
 
If I were king we would flat tax. I would tax you at the same percentage as the richest of the rich. If you made under 35k I wouldn't want a dime.
fully agree on the flat tax and zero 35K and under.
A good start towards a better government would be to reverse the SC ruling that 'busineses are people', which has led to massive dark money contributions, make it illegal for anyone who has served in the government to work as either a domestic or foreign lobbyist for five years after leaving their government position, and switch to open voting, in which voters can vote for who they want to regardless of their registered party. Any of which has zero chance of taking place with the current fools on both side of the aisle.

And as to the current debacle in the house...if ever there was a show of force of self before country.
 
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fully agree on the flat tax and zero 35K and under.
A good start towards a better government would be to reverse the SC ruling that 'busineses are pople', which has led to massive dark money contributions, make it illegal for anyone who has served in the government to work as either a domestic or foreign lobbyist for five years after leaving their government position, and switch to open voting, in which voters can vote for who they want to regardless of their registered party. Any of which has zero chance of taking place with the current fools on both side of the aisle.

And as to the current debacle in the house...if ever there was a show of force of self before country.

I'm in agreement on all fronts other than I would moratorium lobby for ten years after public "service". The marriage of government and industry can be a partnership, it should never be a cartel.
 
Where is the incentive for those in charge of these people to fix it?They probably make a nice wage say in the neighborhood of six figures,would you work yourself out of a nice job that pays that much?
Yeah
Because Social Services jobs pay so highly, and people that go into that field do so for the awesomely big bucks...

Lol

:rolleyes:
 
Yeah
Because Social Services jobs pay so highly, and people that go into that field do so for the awesomely big bucks...

Lol

:rolleyes:
If the boots on the ground were empowered to direct the agencies they work for we would probably be better off. Those with six figure incomes sit in offices, go to meetings, make public appearances to defend the horseshit they are spreading around, and basically suck on the public teat.
 
There is absolutely no way that is accurate for social workers.

You mean indeed and Google are lying to me? No way. I refuse to believe there is false information on the internet. Don't we have fact checkers for that sort of thing. It's literally the first Google hit.

And I agree. Seems high.
 
I always get my salary info from indeed.com

LOL

A quick look at the 2022 wage classification schedules for state employees would show that's not true, and clear things up, other results lower than that.

Try it...

But you took the first result from a google search, knowing full well it was not accurate, and the result next to it was 30k less

But that's how you (t)roll.
Back on ignore.
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I always get my salary info from indeed.com

LOL

A quick look at the 2022 wage classification schedules for state employees would show that's not true, and clear things up, other results lower than that.

Try it...

But you took the first result from a google search, knowing full well it was not accurate, and the result next to it was 30k less

But that's how you (t)roll.
Back on ignore.
:)

I'm not half as sophisticated and successful in life as you Mossback. Thanks for speaking to me straight. Onto insulting GIFs already I see. It's no wonder you have so many friends and influence with people.

"Back on ignore"

I love it.
 
You troll too much for my liking.
Plain and simple.
:)
 
I always get my salary info from indeed.com

LOL

A quick look at the 2022 wage classification schedules for state employees would show that's not true, and clear things up, other results lower than that.

Try it...

But you took the first result from a google search, knowing full well it was not accurate, and the result next to it was 30k less

But that's how you (t)roll.
Back on ignore.
:)

You do realise there is private practice social work right? Not everyone works for the government.....
 
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