A River Runs Through It: 50-year anniversary (NY Times Musing)

The literary fisherman ( perhaps fly fisherman) started with Izaak Walton in 1653. I'm sure Norman would have reminded the NY Times about that.

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Although I was smitten with fly fishing before reading the book, it had a huge influence on me…and I suppose it still does.

A little side story here…back in the day, one of Maclean’s fishing buddies ( i believe it was George C.) lived next to the college friend who got me into fly fishing. George kept an old fish tank in his yard. He would drop a bug in, lie underneath, study how the bug looked, tie a fly and then drop it in to see how it compared. I thought he was a crazy old man….Ha! 🤪now I get it
 
Interesting take on the "Phenomenon"

DimeBrite beat me to it. The NYT has some of the best writers in the country, but one thing I notice about their environmental and outdoor related articles is that the writers don't seem to know diddly about the outdoors. I think they live in eleventy-storied apartments and view Central Park as a wilderness. Fly fishers have always been kinda' cerebral, so of course they read.
 
DimeBrite beat me to it. The NYT has some of the best writers in the country, but one thing I notice about their environmental and outdoor related articles is that the writers don't seem to know diddly about the outdoors. I think they live in eleventy-storied apartments and view Central Park as a wilderness. Fly fishers have always been kinda' cerebral, so of course they read.

Well, the piece was written by Monte Burke, who I think knows a bit more than diddly. And I'll admit I've never gotten through more than a few pages of Walton but understand he was pretty much a bait guy.
 
Well, the piece was written by Monte Burke, who I think knows a bit more than diddly. And I'll admit I've never gotten through more than a few pages of Walton but understand he was pretty much a bait guy.
Walton was big on "scoured" worms:

And you are to observe, that he is very seldom observed to bite at a Minnow, (yet sometimes he will) and not oft at a fly, but more usually at a Worm, and then most usually at a Lob or Garden-worm, which should be well scoured, that is to say, seven or eight daies in Moss before you fish with them: and if you double your time of eight into sixteen or more, into twenty or more daies, it is still the better, for the worms will still be clearer, tougher, and more lively, and continue so longer upon your hook, and they may be kept longer by keeping them cool and in fresh Moss.

Note also, that many use to Fish for a Salmon with a ring of wyre on the top of their Rod, through which the Line may run to as great a length as it is needful when he is hookÂ’d. And to that end, some use a wheel about the middle of their Rod, or nearer their hand, which are to be observed either by seeing one of them, or a large demonstration of words.

And now I shall tell you, that which may be called a secret: I have been a fishing with old Oliver Henly (now with God), a noted Fisher, both for Trout and Salmon, and have observed, that he would usually take three or four worms out of his bag, and put them into a little box in his pocket, where he would usually let them continue half an hour or more, before he would bait his hook with them; I have asked him his reason, and he has replyed, He did but pick the best out to be in a readinesse against he baited his hook the next time: But he has been observed both by others, and my self, to catch more fish than I or any other body, that has ever gone a fishing with him could do, and especially Salmons; and I have been told lately by one of his most intimate and secret friends, that the box in which he put those worms, was anointed with a drop, or two, or three, of the Oil of Ivy-berries, made by expression or infusion, and that by the worms remaining in that box an hour, or a like time, they had incorporated a kind of smell that was irresistably attractive enough to force any Fish within the smell of them, to bite. This I heard not long since from a friend, but have not tryed it; yet I grant it probable, and refer my Reader to Sir Francis Bacons Natural History, where he proves fishes may hear: and I am certain Gesner sayes, the Otter can smell in the water, and I know not but that Fish may do so too: Â’tis left for a lover of Angling, or any that desires to improve that Art, to try this conclusion.
 
DimeBrite beat me to it. The NYT has some of the best writers in the country, but one thing I notice about their environmental and outdoor related articles is that the writers don't seem to know diddly about the outdoors. I think they live in eleventy-storied apartments and view Central Park as a wilderness. Fly fishers have always been kinda' cerebral, so of course they read.
That and the piece doesn't mention Hemingway... Or for that matter Grays Sporting Journal that has forever published outstanding outdoor fiction for hunting and fishing.

What's interesting about the piece is the argument of "could ARRTI be published or successful today?" And I think a reasonable take is probably no, not to any degree of success. Success these days seems more meme-able, more visual.

Plus East coast is different, New York you wrap yourself around the hustle. There's really good fishing for seasonal pelagics and that window is May and then again November. You don't take up FlyFishing if you can't go frequently. The rest of the time you're stuck hustling to pay rent. So why buy an 8 wt?

The best naturalists currently popularizing East coast nature seem to be James Prosek and Sutton Lynch (on instagram, long island drone shots of whales, sharks and so on). Both of those guys are outstanding at visuals. And Prosek at least seems to be the most bridge like- outstanding writer, outstanding painter and maybe both the last and first of the kind...

If you think about how say print media portrays FF experiences currently they are exotic, guided, pristine. the FFJournal is a prime example. It's a packaging of an experience with stunning photos to prove it. Vs ARRTI which was and a universal experience (loss and love) packaged in a story about Fly Fishing. It could have just as easily been hunting (see East of the Mountains- Guterson)

Anyway, a thought provoking piece, thanks for putting it up Kmudgn!
 
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McGuane is among those who believe the novella might have faced a fresh set of obstacles in getting attention had it been submitted to big publishers today.

“I don’t see a burning interest in literary male writing,” he said. “It’s not a good era for male self-discovery.”


Ha! Probably true, but also spoken like a literary male writer, McGuane. (And I am a fan.)
 
5-10 years after the movie, the high quality used fly gear market simply exploded. Tons of gear for dirt cheap, much of it barely used.
I owe much of my high quality gear to that movie...
And for that I am very grateful.
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“People would say, ‘How could someone as old as you write a book?’” McCarthy said. “And you could see the smoke come out of his ears.” I had to chuckle, the visual reminded me of my dad's Irish temper.
 
I remember enjoying “A River Runs Through It” book and movie, but it never stood out as something I would come back to.

Different genre, but to me “The River Why” connected with my passion for fishing on a much deeper level. I reread that every few years.
 
I remember enjoying “A River Runs Through It” book and movie, but it never stood out as something I would come back to.

Different genre, but to me “The River Why” connected with my passion for fishing on a much deeper level. I reread that every few years.
Have you read David James Duncan's new(er) book, Sun House? I loved it.
 
Have you read David James Duncan's new(er) book, Sun House? I loved it.
Yes. I read it last year and it is a beast, but truly amazing writing and connection for me as an outdoors enthusiast.

I also love The Brothers K also as a huge baseball fan and I’ve read it a few times.

Those books are as good or better than River Why in some ways, but due to length not as rereadable.
 
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Yes. I read it last year and it is a beast, but truly amazing writing and connection for me as an outdoors enthusiast.

I also love The Brothers K also as a huge baseball fan and I’ve read it a few times.

Those books are as good or better than River Why in some ways, but due to length not as rereadable.
His book of essays River Teeth is good, too.
 
Walton was big on "scoured" worms:

And you are to observe, that he is very seldom observed to bite at a Minnow, (yet sometimes he will) and not oft at a fly, but more usually at a Worm, and then most usually at a Lob or Garden-worm, which should be well scoured, that is to say, seven or eight daies in Moss before you fish with them: and if you double your time of eight into sixteen or more, into twenty or more daies, it is still the better, for the worms will still be clearer, tougher, and more lively, and continue so longer upon your hook, and they may be kept longer by keeping them cool and in fresh Moss.

Note also, that many use to Fish for a Salmon with a ring of wyre on the top of their Rod, through which the Line may run to as great a length as it is needful when he is hookÂ’d. And to that end, some use a wheel about the middle of their Rod, or nearer their hand, which are to be observed either by seeing one of them, or a large demonstration of words.

And now I shall tell you, that which may be called a secret: I have been a fishing with old Oliver Henly (now with God), a noted Fisher, both for Trout and Salmon, and have observed, that he would usually take three or four worms out of his bag, and put them into a little box in his pocket, where he would usually let them continue half an hour or more, before he would bait his hook with them; I have asked him his reason, and he has replyed, He did but pick the best out to be in a readinesse against he baited his hook the next time: But he has been observed both by others, and my self, to catch more fish than I or any other body, that has ever gone a fishing with him could do, and especially Salmons; and I have been told lately by one of his most intimate and secret friends, that the box in which he put those worms, was anointed with a drop, or two, or three, of the Oil of Ivy-berries, made by expression or infusion, and that by the worms remaining in that box an hour, or a like time, they had incorporated a kind of smell that was irresistably attractive enough to force any Fish within the smell of them, to bite. This I heard not long since from a friend, but have not tryed it; yet I grant it probable, and refer my Reader to Sir Francis Bacons Natural History, where he proves fishes may hear: and I am certain Gesner sayes, the Otter can smell in the water, and I know not but that Fish may do so too: Â’tis left for a lover of Angling, or any that desires to improve that Art, to try this conclusion.
Thread drift: "Garden-worm, which should be well scoured"

Apparently the robin I saw pulling a nightcrawler out of the garden soil yesterday consumed a "garden worm not well scoured" if the dive bombed evidence left on the hood of my truck is any indication.
 
Well, the piece was written by Monte Burke, who I think knows a bit more than diddly. And I'll admit I've never gotten through more than a few pages of Walton but understand he was pretty much a bait guy.
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This guy knows diddley....
 
Although I don’t really buy-in to the NY Times’ premise that Maclean was some sort of fly fishing literary pioneer when he published his now famous work, there is a formula here. Great story, good writing +++ a well produced, directed and award winning movie is a winning combination. Good movies make good books even more popular and desirable. A lot of really great fly fishing related stories have been published since the late 19th Century but few have ever had a popular movie adapted from them. Popularity of literature can be measured in many ways, but one is the price of copies of the original work. The top price I found for a First Edition, 1st Printing of A River Runs Through It was $12,500 with lots of copies available between $Eight and Three Thousand. Not bad for a 1976 publication.

By comparison, NETFLIX just finished a month long showing of most of the James Bond (007) movies. Ian Fleming’s 1st 007 work, Casino Royale was published in 1953 and experienced similar difficulties obtaining a publisher as did Maclean. The work was turned into a movie in 1967. No one can doubt the clout and popularity of the James Bond movie theme. Back to the formula—good book +++ good movie = enormous popularity. Just in case you might want a First Edition, First Printing of Casino Royale, prices range from $175,000 down to the $50-60,000.
 
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