Capt Insano Emeritis
Legend
Getting multiple dui’s will do it. State police know the profiling matrix to focus on for pulling over. Its big business.
NFR Alcohol going out of style
- Thread starter Evan B
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I went through a bad time in my life and found I was drinking too often and too much. So I quit drinking. I don’t remember how long ago it has been since I quit. I think it was at least 10 years ago. It wasn’t hard to quit. It was only hard to “taper off“. But for some reason I can’t remember how long it’s been. Mostly, I remember saving money. Drinking in bars is expensive. And steals time.
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Sadly other things like CBD gummies, edibles, synthetic nicotine (Zyn, and the strength's vary greatly) and vaping.. the last is terrible for you.. taxes have increased 90% on the last too and they are trying (in WA) for all tobacco products.It's the four letter word...WEED.
Most young people would rather do that than alcohol. And it's legal so no different in their mind. I know young guys that are college athletes and they can smoke and not feel bad the next day whereas if they had the same effect from drinking they would be hurting.
It's probably no more expensive these days either.
On the party scale, my young (24-28) fishing buddies tell me way more young people are doing shrooms and just as many, often the Greek row types, are doing cocaine. They literally have testers. You can buy testers for pretty cheap that are better than the DEA had just a few years ago.
Cocaine is the most pure it's ever been. I know a kid that would rather start the party with some smoke and see how it goes. If it's a rager then it's coke time. He said he's rarely hung over and only does the pure stuff.
Obviously there's issues here, and frats boys still drink a lot, but from what he was saying it's way less than "back in the day."
I know weed is legal and supposedly not physically addictive, but rather mentally addictive. Not sure.. all I know is I watched one of my best friends become a "pot head". He was a telecom engineer, like me, and I saw him stop learning. I also saw him look for his pipe for about an hour. By the end of that hour his hands were shaking like crazy.
Guess we'll see what ends being better in the end. Hopefully Gen Z is just doing less of everything and eats better than we did. I think one of their biggest issues is these stupid energy drinks. Every coffee stand now has 15 different "energy" drinks. That stuff can't be good for you.
Man, I need a PBR after typing all that.
Kidz would rather use these instead of drinking! The NA and low alcohol category are hopping! White Claw, Truly, NA beer and cocktails... there are so many tasty options and thats a good thing! But it makes it harder to know who is safe to drive and who is not, for us.. bartenders, servers and LEO's!
Stay frosty! And safe.. and careful if you choose to do any of the above.. and that doesn't really cover the health issues that are possible....
Not a first hand story, but I heard of a guy in Kirkland that got pulled over for a DUI. Was arrested (the booking area and holding were close to downtown Kirkland)... gets released that same night! Walks down to his car, decides that the bar he is going to next is too far.. a few blocks so moves his car and gets a second DUI that same night!
Can't imagine the legal fees.. even if you can afford it! Sad! And scary, but at least he didn't hurt anyone.. including himself!
I sure a little time behind bars happened, or it should have.. 3 hots and a cot! And a few new friends.. don't drop the soap...
Thank god I've never had a DUI! be careful, you can't undo it and can't be too safe! Uber, DD or just drink at home!
I did that, two within a few hours. One Federal Way, one Renton. Four before I was 30 (one in high school). Seemed to always get off easy. I'm a jerk, a lucky jerk. Must have a gardian angle. Just can't drink, or make a good decision after. Life's been getting better every day for the last 30+ years without.
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Quit in 1999. In the first three years I put $24,000 in the bank. Two years ago my glucose was too high. Limited my meals to 45 grams of carbs and dropped thirty pounds in a couple of months - I now own 4 belts to keep my pants up. I drink NA beer in the summer but the carb hit cuts me back to one a day - usually. Joined the YMCA last week and met the machines. Still prefer my own treadmill because I can watch TV while I walk. 
Just remember you can be charged with a DUI even if you blow below the limit. A ex co-worker of mine went through this with his wife. They ended up spending a ton of money and ultimately got the charge reduced.
As far as weed goes, it’s much stronger today than the rag weed many started with back in the day.
It was pretty easy for me to stop smoking weed and easy to remember the day I did. It was the same day I caught my last steelhead. A nice bright winter fish on the Sol Duc twelve years ago.
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As far as weed goes, it’s much stronger today than the rag weed many started with back in the day.
It was pretty easy for me to stop smoking weed and easy to remember the day I did. It was the same day I caught my last steelhead. A nice bright winter fish on the Sol Duc twelve years ago.
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Salmon123
Steelhead
Wow, That's a step up from my Fred Meyer Soda Stream carbonated water gadget i have.
i go through the carbonated water like crazy
I hate waking up in silver bracelets.. it has happened twice.. one I was just below the legal limit, was able to walk downtown and get a ride home. Wrecked my Tacoma, had to pay $500ish to get it out of impound and towed home.
Second time was an overnight in King County jail.. felony harassment was dropped, I was very lucky as I got referral to a lawyer who spoke to the prosecutor.. charges dropped, lesson learned, hilarity in jail.. let's not go there..
18 months later the city of Bellevue charged me with a misdemeanor Felony Harassment.. the other asshole involved should have been charged with assault and I still wonder if he can, but assume it's way too late.
Started volunteering at food banks, Snohomish first.. Hopelink, now and then.. 25 hours of community service.. nothing on my record.. but it is on my medical records and I got a weeks worth of medication.. thanks guys, our tax dollars covered me completely!
Learned I don't look good in ORANGE.. I think I met TRAVERS in there.. maybe Tom too.. jk...
My buddy Ron T picked me up.. first words.. Bill your mother loves you, don't be a DUMBASS! Truer words were never spoken.
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.. i guess.. don't be a DUMBASS! Gold looks better than silver on me...where's my ballroom?
Peace and love!
Let's fucking fish.. now! Cheers! YOLO! Get busy livin', or get busy dying!
Take that Topo chico.. add a shot of teq-kill ya! Add lime.. lemon, blood orange.. ranch water.. be very careful!Wow, That's a step up from my Fred Meyer Soda Stream carbonated water gadget i have.
Go HAWKs!
There's a pretty strong argument to be made that all of those are much better alternatives to drinking in many, many ways. CBD gummies especially... they're not exactly intoxicating. Not too many people are going to eat a THC edible and get into fights or end up naked in a stranger's yard. I don't partake in any such things these days, but I don't see them as bad alternatives.
You could argue alcohol and weed do the same thing, make things less boring. Now there's a very potent algorithm that delivers a steady flowing tap of mindless entertainment that staves off boredom, there's less need for alcohol. Maybe the one upside to weed -as Evan points out above- is the downturn in crime seen across the US....
On the other hand boredom- and how we cope with it- is often what makes people interesting and/or annoying. In an attention economy a huge portion of the population becomes, well, sorta boring. They don't participate or build, they may not think things through, they don't read in depth and certainly don't write. Instead they get messages tailored to them.
So maybe they weren't that good at math, and soon they feel validated that there's billions of other people who also suck at math. And therefore understanding math is not important. So learning what a p value is and the logic behind it is a wilderness they won't explore....They become effectively mathematically and otherwise illiterate to how hypothesis are tested. Understanding what is valid data, a good hypothesis, an effective comparison, so the very essence of defining a problem and ways to study and solve it- all of it are not near as easy for this group. Over time, it's easier to feed this group, or any group , dumb nonsense as it becomes its own steady entertaining, validating fuel.
The most ambitious of them aspire to become content creators, not to peel back the mysteries of the universe and make things better, but instead to deliver monetizable chunks of beauty, provocation, envy fuel, and perhaps even ironically maybe a small, homely subset thrills about explaining what p values are to the tiny chunk of people who might care etc etc....
Anyway whacky rant over, alcohol, for all its awfulness, throws a wrench of very real and sorta expensive unpredictability into the whole mess of life. The algorithm does not, most people will gravitate towards cheap, mildly stimulating nearly risk-free (short term) titillating predictability....
What we really need is a degree of comfort and encouragement for people to drink from a steady fountain of liquid and/or inhaled boredom, to harness that dullness, that restlessness, that discomfort into motivations and encouragements to constructively tackle interesting and useful projects/problems/needs/wants without soporifics be they alcohol, social media, weed etc etc
On the other hand boredom- and how we cope with it- is often what makes people interesting and/or annoying. In an attention economy a huge portion of the population becomes, well, sorta boring. They don't participate or build, they may not think things through, they don't read in depth and certainly don't write. Instead they get messages tailored to them.
So maybe they weren't that good at math, and soon they feel validated that there's billions of other people who also suck at math. And therefore understanding math is not important. So learning what a p value is and the logic behind it is a wilderness they won't explore....They become effectively mathematically and otherwise illiterate to how hypothesis are tested. Understanding what is valid data, a good hypothesis, an effective comparison, so the very essence of defining a problem and ways to study and solve it- all of it are not near as easy for this group. Over time, it's easier to feed this group, or any group , dumb nonsense as it becomes its own steady entertaining, validating fuel.
The most ambitious of them aspire to become content creators, not to peel back the mysteries of the universe and make things better, but instead to deliver monetizable chunks of beauty, provocation, envy fuel, and perhaps even ironically maybe a small, homely subset thrills about explaining what p values are to the tiny chunk of people who might care etc etc....
Anyway whacky rant over, alcohol, for all its awfulness, throws a wrench of very real and sorta expensive unpredictability into the whole mess of life. The algorithm does not, most people will gravitate towards cheap, mildly stimulating nearly risk-free (short term) titillating predictability....
What we really need is a degree of comfort and encouragement for people to drink from a steady fountain of liquid and/or inhaled boredom, to harness that dullness, that restlessness, that discomfort into motivations and encouragements to constructively tackle interesting and useful projects/problems/needs/wants without soporifics be they alcohol, social media, weed etc etc
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FinLuver
Native Oregonian…1846
In a college course, a drug counselor came in during career day to speak about his profession.
I’ll never forget some of his first words about addiction…
“People start the journey to have fun. And eventually come to a fork in the road.”
Address the underlying issues and environment…the better your chances for success.
For me, the fun in that environment no longer was there. Thankfully, I had developed some discipline thru a military dad and sports that I fell back onto, in addition to moving away from the town environment.
Could have filled the back of a pick-up truck with the weed I smoked during my youth. During most of the 70's a handful of us long haired surfers who owned trail horses lived on acreages within a coastal valley just south of Half Moon Bay where we all grew, compared, traded seeds. The Hanalei surf crew loved the weed I'd bring over during winter Kaui trips in the mid 70's.
When the kids came and the charge to raise them as well as possible sunk in, I decided they'd need to learn their vices on their own and not from me, so put it down and took up Chardonay's and Pinot Noir's.
As to weed being a gateway drug, it likely is for some as addictive personalities will always be attracted to drugs and alcohol, and often both.
Have good friends who have smoked weed since young teens, still with us, have well done professional and personal lives. And had good friends that were good for a six pack every night of the week until liver cancer and heart attacks took them out.
Moderation with all vices is always good throttle management.
When the kids came and the charge to raise them as well as possible sunk in, I decided they'd need to learn their vices on their own and not from me, so put it down and took up Chardonay's and Pinot Noir's.
As to weed being a gateway drug, it likely is for some as addictive personalities will always be attracted to drugs and alcohol, and often both.
Have good friends who have smoked weed since young teens, still with us, have well done professional and personal lives. And had good friends that were good for a six pack every night of the week until liver cancer and heart attacks took them out.
Moderation with all vices is always good throttle management.
I just talked to a guy that got a DUI in Europe even through he was below the limit.
No big deal?? Well, the Europeans share their arrest history with other countries and these days it is real easy to check records.
Heading up north to a fishing trip in BC and he was stopped at the border, turned around and banned for the rest of his life from entering Canada.
If you want to continue fishing BC, don't drink and drive.
This idea of moving away from "the town" is really always super interesting to think about. Meaning (and this is not a criticism of FunLover) that the town you (collective, not specific) grow up in does suck at a certain point in time and is linked in our brains as probably remaining static and still sucking along with the dopey characters who inhabited it for all time.moving away from the town environment.
Or does the town evolve and change for the better, the people who sucked previously grow up and become kinder, more capable? And we just don't bother to see or concede that it can change?
Or is it somewhere in between?
I know a lot of us left "the town" and never went back for any reasonable duration of time (i.e. This Boy's Life, by Toby Wolff)
On the other hand "the town" I hated and left at 18 is so much more dynamic, fascinating and interesting now compared to what it was then. Maybe because it is easier for me to see opportunity and risk, simpler to relate to people who are good vs not good, easier to avoid temptations and so on. Maybe the offenses I took back then were immature. Maybe "the town" is more of a 1986-1988 snapshot that is faded and unrecognizable now, just as unrecognizable as the kid in those snapshots is to who I am now....
Then again, maybe "the town" really does suck both as a state of mind and geographic location and we keep that story alive because it is well just so damn motivating, a Homerian Odyssey so full of more meaningful adventures that would never have happened had you not left in the first place....I mean I would never go back, and value most of the stuff that happened beyond it's perimeter, but can think of plenty of places to get stuck in now that suck way more than "the Town" ever did.
maybe sucking on the content of social media (or consistent alcohol or weed) is basically the equivalent of getting stuck in "the town"
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Breck
The Whisk(e)y Dick
95%. I'm a Zyn sucker. I do have a tribal reservation with a tobacco shop less than a mile from my office. I get 5 cans for $30 there. Anywhere else, it's $12 per can in WA.