Well I mostly tied them up because I've gone down the rabbit hole of tying and can't seem to stop... however I would have no problem swinging these midsized patterns on the S rivers or OP and be confident fishing them if I could see my boots from my knees standing in the river. I've caught winter fish and dolly's swinging standard sized Hobos, ESL's or similar under those kinds of conditions or cleaner. Personally I don't go to really big intruders unless I think I need to. I'm just a journeyman so take that into consideration.