Proposed Legislation: WDFW Commissioners To Receive Salary

I don’t remember a time when the department was funded completely by license sales and fines. I do know that recreational hunters and anglers account for about 30% of department revenue (this includes the revenue from federal excise taxes). Your other comments are ridiculous.

I believe it was Gregiore who made the change. It was about the time they switch from "Washington Department of Fish and Game". You're plugged into the legislature I'm sure you can find the particulars on it pretty easily if you were so inclined.

In fact it was a department that ran in the black rather than the red. We can't have that. We must put the funds in the general fund then allocate them for a shortfall for a department that formerly was solvent.
 
I believe it was Gregiore who made the change. It was about the time they switch from "Washington Department of Fish and Game". You're plugged into the legislature I'm sure you can find the particulars on it pretty easily if you were so inclined.

In fact it was a department that ran in the black rather than the red. We can't have that. We must put the funds in the general fund then allocate them for a shortfall for a department that formerly was solvent.
I'm sure you're aware of the multiple ESA listings and federal requirements that have become more expensive to deal with since then. Wanting to go back to the "good ole days" is common, especially among anglers. Often anglers forget the negatives and only remember the good things from the past. It's also important to point out that the way our fisheries were managed then has certainly contributed to the issues we're experiencing now.
 
I don’t remember a time when the department was funded completely by license sales and fines. I do know that recreational hunters and anglers account for about 30% of department revenue (this includes the revenue from federal excise taxes). Your other comments are ridiculous.
Matt,

There was a time when food fish (salmon, halibut, rockfish, etc.) were managed by WDF and was funded through the General Fund. Game fish (trout, steelhead, panfish) were managed by the WDG, which was funded entirely through licenses and fees (and federal D-J, P-R) and mitigation monies. That time was ~ 1935 - 1993ish. Then WDG was rebadged WDW, giving the governor the right to appoint the Director in return for partial funding via GF. Then in 1995 WDW and WDF were merged and melded into the WDFW we have now. The old WDG was very much a hook and bullet agency and very responsive to its constituents who provided its funding. A big change occurred ~1985 when vanity license plates were first sold for the purpose of providing funding to WDG for "non-game" species management. Vanity plates were such a hit that non-game briefly enjoyed a level of funding that the fish and wildlife divisions were envious of, but I digress.

The upshot is that for many years WDG was funded by hunters and anglers and the Department reflected those values.
 
I'm sure you're aware of the multiple ESA listings and federal requirements that have become more expensive to deal with since then. Wanting to go back to the "good ole days" is common, especially among anglers. Often anglers forget the negatives and only remember the good things from the past. It's also important to point out that the way our fisheries were managed then has certainly contributed to the issues we're experiencing now.

Fair point and noted.

Matt,

There was a time when food fish (salmon, halibut, rockfish, etc.) were managed by WDF and was funded through the General Fund. Game fish (trout, steelhead, panfish) were managed by the WDG, which was funded entirely through licenses and fees (and federal D-J, P-R) and mitigation monies. That time was ~ 1935 - 1993ish. Then WDG was rebadged WDW, giving the governor the right to appoint the Director in return for partial funding via GF. Then in 1995 WDW and WDF were merged and melded into the WDFW we have now. The old WDG was very much a hook and bullet agency and very responsive to its constituents who provided its funding. A big change occurred ~1985 when vanity license plates were first sold for the purpose of providing funding to WDG for "non-game" species management. Vanity plates were such a hit that non-game briefly enjoyed a level of funding that the fish and wildlife divisions were envious of, but I digress.

The upshot is that for many years WDG was funded by hunters and anglers and the Department reflected those values.


Thanks salmo. I was hoping you would chime in here. I always wondered why the stamp etc and the different designations.
 
Matt,

There was a time when food fish (salmon, halibut, rockfish, etc.) were managed by WDF and was funded through the General Fund. Game fish (trout, steelhead, panfish) were managed by the WDG, which was funded entirely through licenses and fees (and federal D-J, P-R) and mitigation monies. That time was ~ 1935 - 1993ish. Then WDG was rebadged WDW, giving the governor the right to appoint the Director in return for partial funding via GF. Then in 1995 WDW and WDF were merged and melded into the WDFW we have now. The old WDG was very much a hook and bullet agency and very responsive to its constituents who provided its funding. A big change occurred ~1985 when vanity license plates were first sold for the purpose of providing funding to WDG for "non-game" species management. Vanity plates were such a hit that non-game briefly enjoyed a level of funding that the fish and wildlife divisions were envious of, but I digress.

The upshot is that for many years WDG was funded by hunters and anglers and the Department reflected those values.
That explains why I don't remember it. In 1993, I was 13 years old. My only experience within fish and wildlife at that point was volunteering at the Issaquah salmon hatchery.
 
I think that electing the commission could favor the hunting and angling communities. Most voters pay very little attention to anything besides the federal elections.
Except that the Commission candidates with the most campaign financial backing would be those backed by the commercial fishing industry and tribes. And campaign war chests generally correlate with election wins.
 
Except that the Commission candidates with the most campaign financial backing would be those backed by the commercial fishing industry and tribes. And campaign war chests generally correlate with election wins.
Ding ding ding we have a winner.
 
Except that the Commission candidates with the most campaign financial backing would be those backed by the commercial fishing industry and tribes. And campaign war chests generally correlate with election wins.
The recreational fishing and hunting industry in Washington accounts for billions of dollars in economic activity. The commercial fishing industry and tribes don’t come close to that amount of money.
 
The recreational fishing and hunting industry in Washington accounts for billions of dollars in economic activity. The commercial fishing industry and tribes don’t come close to that amount of money.
Money doesn't get people elected anymore. Lies and shaming get people elected. You talk bad about tribal fishing you'll be labeled a racist and will not be electable..

Ditch the commission entirely, go back to a WDFW director who can be fired for their gross incompetence.
 
The recreational fishing and hunting industry in Washington accounts for billions of dollars in economic activity. The commercial fishing industry and tribes don’t come close to that amount of money.
Bird/animal watching is bigger business...so be mindful of what the public wants if everyone believes in a democracy of majority rules.

Perhaps the commission is EXACTLY what the public wants -by the numbers it looks like it? Going to take new angles to get special interest groups (hunting/fishing) to their goals..which many have said, is not splinter an already minority group up even more.

"...and those wildlife voyeurs spent $75.9 billion just to watch, which is almost three times what hunters spent and nearly $30 billion more than recreational fishers. Perhaps even more surprising to find out, in today's digital parlance, wildlife watching is trending!"

 
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Bird/animal watching is bigger business...so be mindful of what the public wants if everyone believes in a democracy of majority rules.

Perhaps the commission is EXACTLY what the public wants -by the numbers it looks like it? Going to take new angles to get special interest groups (hunting/fishing) to their goals..which many have said, is not splinter an already minority group up even more.

"...and those wildlife voyeurs spent $75.9 billion just to watch, which is almost three times what hunters spent and nearly $30 billion more than recreational fishers. Perhaps even more surprising to find out, in today's digital parlance, wildlife watching is trending!"

The majority of the public has more money, but they’re not going to be as motivated to spend it on electing WDFW commissioners.
 
The recreational fishing and hunting industry in Washington accounts for billions of dollars in economic activity. The commercial fishing industry and tribes don’t come close to that amount of money.
Hunters and fishermen spend billions on their sports, but the track records of anglers at least indicates apathy when it comes to campaign contributions. Ergo, commercials and tribes win.
 

Around 80 some percent of the time the biggest spender wins...
About 85% in 2018
About 80% in 2020
Haven't seen the 2022 numbers, but there were a couple of super well funded Senate candidates who lost, but probably it was more an issue of candidate quality in those cases...no amount was going to be enough.
:)
Something about correlation and causation.

Without going into any detail and if you want to discuss it further PM me,but the worst candidate in 2022 won their race.


Anyway you slice it electing WDFW commissioners is a really bad idea as is paying them.
 
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History of WDFW​

1890 - The first Fish Commissioner, James Crawford, is appointed by Governor Elisha Ferry.

1891 - The Washington Legislature appropriates funds for a salmon hatchery.

1895 - The first salmon hatchery is built and dedicated on the Kalama River.

1915 - Legislature passes a new game and game-fish code that provides for a chief game warden and a fish commissioner, both managed under Chief Game Warden L. H. Darwin of the Department of Fish and Game.

1921 - Legislature abolishes the Fish Commission and replaced it with a Department of Fisheries, with a Division of Fisheries and a Division of Game and Game Fish.

1932 - An initiative separates food fish and game fish and creates a Department of Fisheries (food fish) under an appointed director, and a Department of Game (game fish) under a six-member commission.

1987 - Legislature changes Department of Game, with a commission-appointed director, to Department of Wildlife, with a director appointed by the governor.

1994 - Legislature merges Department of Wildlife and Department of Fisheries, creating the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife, with a nine-member commission and a director appointed by the Commission.
 
A friend of mine shared this with me. It's about Colorado, but it seems to common in many states.


Read that this morning. The wrong people with the wrong agenda are getting involved wildlife agencies who are not interested in habitat and biological issues but are there push other agendas.
 
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