NFR EV's?

Non-fishing related
There's an upstart EV company called Canoo that has an interesting platform, but they have not delivered anything yet although it appears they have large fleet commitments from some big names. The have a van and a pickup that are just modifications of one platform. The pickup sort of reminds of a Batman version of an old school COE (cab over engine) truck.
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ACOE and NPS have each contracted for the truck and people mover.
 
Putting AWD on a station wagon and calling it an SUV was a stroke of genius. It transformed a vehicle that few wanted to be associated with into one that few can live without. Compared to a van the SUV usually cost more, gets worse mileage, has less interior room and cargo capacity, cost more to insure, maintain and operate, doesn't handle as well and is not as comfortable. Many of the people that claim to hate minivans have never owned or driven one and are simply mouthing what they have heard others say. Like good lemmings they go along with a popular misconception. It doesn't take a Phi Beta Kappa candidate to realize that a minivan is a far more useful family vehicle around town than an SUV. And for a road trip it is no contest, the van offers a far more commodious space for kids, dogs, stuff, with better mileage.

For years I have longed for a "Man Van" with AWD, a lift, no third row seat, instead a locker to stow cameras, fly rods and reels or shotguns, all terrain tires and off road shocks and a removable center seat that could quickly be removed to reveal a perfectly flat floor. It will never happen of course but what a sweet fishing rig that would be with a 4,000 # towing capacity that could haul and launch a drift boat or tow a small camp trailer.

Instead we will continue to get thousands of cookie cutter SUV's until the fad runs out and some other must-have configuration appears.

For the record, I have owned several SUV's and loved every one of them but I have also owned a luxury minivan and know the difference.
My wife's car is a VW sportwagon. A car they recently stopped making. It's such a practical design and I am so annoyed people don't buy them and now they're gone :(
 
Looks like the lift kits can be bought online for around $800 or so. No idea on the labor cost if a dealer installed them.
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Putting AWD on a station wagon and calling it an SUV was a stroke of genius. It transformed a vehicle that few wanted to be associated with into one that few can live without. Compared to a van the SUV usually cost more, gets worse mileage, has less interior room and cargo capacity, cost more to insure, maintain and operate, doesn't handle as well and is not as comfortable. Many of the people that claim to hate minivans have never owned or driven one and are simply mouthing what they have heard others say. Like good lemmings they go along with a popular misconception. It doesn't take a Phi Beta Kappa candidate to realize that a minivan is a far more useful family vehicle around town than an SUV. And for a road trip it is no contest, the van offers a far more commodious space for kids, dogs, stuff, with better mileage.

For years I have longed for a "Man Van" with AWD, a lift, no third row seat, instead a locker to stow cameras, fly rods and reels or shotguns, all terrain tires and off road shocks and a removable center seat that could quickly be removed to reveal a perfectly flat floor. It will never happen of course but what a sweet fishing rig that would be with a 4,000 # towing capacity that could haul and launch a drift boat or tow a small camp trailer.

Instead we will continue to get thousands of cookie cutter SUV's until the fad runs out and some other must-have configuration appears.

For the record, I have owned several SUV's and loved every one of them but I have also owned a luxury minivan and know the difference.
could not agree more, nothing touches the utility of vans. The AWD Chevy express was a great van that flew under the radar, discontinued in 2012 or so because of GM unable/unwilling to meet changing MPG requirements. Highly popular in our snow zone with plumbers and electricians, now being phased by the full size Transit AWD. Tried one, somewhat cramped driver area, did scoot with the 3.5 turbo. Not much clearence, however, so after market lifts are a thing.
A Sienna with AWD (one of the reasons they bought Subraru), reasonable lift, skidplates, fibreglass top option, 'hose out' interior, industrial spray exterior finish? Sign me up.
 
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Polluting the thread, sorry: Saw several of these 'Mustangs' when we were in SoCal, SUV EV Mustang?? Sure didn't sound like sound like Bullitt's car.
 
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Polluting the thread, sorry: Saw several of these 'Mustangs' when we were in SoCal, SUV EV Mustang?? Sure didn't sound like sound like Bullitt's car.

Sacrilegious. ;)
Nothing against that vehicle, but Ford should have never put the Mustang name on that thing!
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Sacrilegious. ;)
Nothing against that vehicle, but Ford should have never put the Mustang name on that thing!
SF
As someone who has never liked Mustangs, I agree but for different reasons than most 😂
 
Sacrilegious. ;)
Nothing against that vehicle, but Ford should have never put the Mustang name on that thing!
SF
Amen - my brother got a worn out '65 and as a class project at junior college rebuilt the 289 to a pretty high performance 302 (?), nice cam lope, headers, big 4 bbl. That car could burn rubber in all four gears. Revving it up, dumping clutch to see if the Mustang would beat that Charger two blocks down Front Street in Port Angeles? Talk about young, dumb kids - I don't know how we survived.

More thread drift, sorry OP.
 
Honestly, I think vans (passenger and utility) are very underappreciated as a very good option for a lot of people. They're just overlooked because they don't look sexy. My brain only really processes "practical vs impractical," and vans have always had appeal for me. I still have thoughts about swapping my F250 for a Super Duty 4x4 van.

I've been thinking about buying an AWD Astro to convert to a camper, should tow the bass boat too.
 
I have my name on the list for one of these Alpha trucks too (it's free to sign up, nothing to lose right?).
This thing would satisfy the clearance issue @Roper spoke of.

They have plans for a slew of other EV designs as well, but may never come to fruition. We shall see.

 
I do not care to go from 0 - 60 in 2+ seconds. But it seems EV's have this characteristic by design. Why do they use this type of motor (set of motors)? Would one not get better mileage per charge using a motor that is slower from 0-60 and not as high of top speed? Obviously not an engineer but I would rather have distance over speed...
 
I do not care to go from 0 - 60 in 2+ seconds. But it seems EV's have this characteristic by design. Why do they use this type of motor (set of motors)? Would one not get better mileage per charge using a motor that is slower from 0-60 and not as high of top speed? Obviously not an engineer but I would rather have distance over speed...
I think it's because electric motors inherently generate instant motive force (torque)..and don't depend on gearing and transmissions to transmit power to drive wheels.

That doesn't mean that the force can't be easily modulated via throttle control.
 
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I think it's because electric motors inherently generate instant motive force (torque)..and don't depend on gearing and transmissions to transmit power to drive wheels.

That doesn't mean that the force can't be easily modulated via throttle control.
Most of that.
Still, with a bit of very easy work, mfr's could modulate the response to a bit of a slower pace.
Would it happen? Nope. Because the argument would be that the frigid driver merging onto the freeway would need that response to out run the semi they pulled out in front of .
 
Most of that.
Still, with a bit of very easy work, mfr's could modulate the response to a bit of a slower pace.
Would it happen? Nope. Because the argument would be that the frigid driver merging onto the freeway would need that response to out run the semi they pulled out in front of .
Indeed.

Sometimes the judicious use of incredible acceleration provides safety....on a motorcycle it's often the only thing you've going for you in certain situations.
 
The acceleration ability of my car is one of my favorite things. I don't use it for hot rodding but absolutely becomes useful when merging or turning in to traffic.
 
Sacrilegious. ;)
Nothing against that vehicle, but Ford should have never put the Mustang name on that thing!
SF
I agree. Ironically, though, that thing will outrun just about any stock classic Mustang ever made.
 
The acceleration ability of my car is one of my favorite things. I don't use it for hot rodding but absolutely becomes useful when merging or turning in to traffic.

I dunno. PIR. On a Wednesday night.. drag racing is calling you....
 
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