Question for the Forum Regarding the Disabled Fishing Permit.

Krusty, yes OSP has dedicated fish and wildlife troopers but since they are spread across 98,000 square miles of the state plus offshore waters they are spread pretty thinly. I've been checked while fishing/crabbing maybe 8 or 10 times since I was 12. I'm 75 now so it's uncommon. In the 60 years I hunted I was never asked for a license, but was checked at a roadblock to see if we had tagged harvested animals about 20 times over the years. The roadblock was at the same place every year. OSP had boots on the ground out where we hunted. They knew our camp was always good for a hot cuppa or a warm bite on a cold day.

I spent a day running the video camera for OSP decoy setups. It was so disgusting I stopped big game hunting the following year.
 
I’ll point out that just because you haven’t had very many encounters with fish and game enforcement doesn’t mean they haven’t encountered you. Several times I have talked to wdfw officers and was told they have observed me fishing while I had no idea they were around. If you appear to be doing things the correct way an officer that has to much to do isn’t going to waste time checking you.
 
kerrys said:
I’ll point out that just because you haven’t had very many encounters with fish and game enforcement doesn’t mean they haven’t encountered you. Several times I have talked to wdfw officers and was told they have observed me fishing while I had no idea they were around. If you appear to be doing things the correct way an officer that has to much to do isn’t going to waste time checking you.
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Indeed. I had been the lone angler on a very small lowland lake and when I came ashore a WDFG officer stepped out of the bushes and asked to see my license..which I produced. He'd been watching me with binos for some time. It was sorta sad...I had earlier noticed some yahoo creeping around in the woods above the lake, wearing OD and tactical gear. I was actually relieved it turned out to be an officer and not some nut.

After I provided my valid license he asked if the lone vehicle in the launch parking lot was mine, and whether it had a Discovery pass (which was plainly visible from where we were standing about 20' away). Musta been a slow day. Maybe they'd been having problems on that particular lake.

Had a USFS ranger ask to see my license a few years back (I was fishing a NF lake), as well as a WDFG officer in a boat do the same on a local lake that had quite a few folk fishing...he was checking every boat. We were in a canoe, and my buddy got warned about not wearing his inflatable PFD.

The additional benefit of C&R (which is really all I've done for the past 50 years) is that it completely eliminates any dispute about fish size, limit, or species.
 
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Kilchis said:
I spent a day running the video camera for OSP decoy setups. It was so disgusting I stopped big game hunting the following year.
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I'm not sure I understand what this is. Can you explain? I'm not a hunter (though I have no general objections to hunting, I just prefer fishing.)
 
Josh said:
I'm not sure I understand what this is. Can you explain? I'm not a hunter (though I have no general objections to hunting, I just prefer fishing.)
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It's placing a lifelike game decoy...deer, bear, etc and filming/arresting poachers that are attempting to illegally harvest a game species. Astoundingly effective. Irrefutable evidence. Often used where spotlighting deer has become a problem. Some of the decoys are robotic and the F&G officers can control head movement. The stupid violators often complain it's entrapment...which is just BS.
 
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kerrys said:
I’ll point out that just because you haven’t had very many encounters with fish and game enforcement doesn’t mean they haven’t encountered you. Several times I have talked to wdfw officers and was told they have observed me fishing while I had no idea they were around. If you appear to be doing things the correct way an officer that has to much to do isn’t going to waste time checking you.
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I figure that the F&G troopers are like cougars. They see you a lot more often than you see them.
 
I have had OSP come up to me while fishing and take one look at my TU hat or my PNW fly fishing hat and just ask if I'm having a good time and catching any fish.
Never ask to see my lic.
I think your friend would have a good time even if ya can't fish from an unanchored boat.
 
Got a call back yesterday, from Sgt. Craig Gunderson, OSP, The Dalles. He supervisors the personnel that are in charge of protecting the 100 miles of the Lower Deschutes. Top notch and personable gentleman.

Sgt. Gunderson said it would be pushing the ruling for me to exit the boat and hold the boat steady, while not having an anchor in the water. This was regarding my disabled friend casting from the boat, on the Deschutes. We continued the discussion and he turned me onto a possible new way of anchoring, using a pulley, directly off the anchor. You add a fixed line back to the boat for that pulley to pull against. Sgt. Gunderson advises this setup would take even more weight off my anchor, as I pull it up. Sgt. Gunderson even went so far as to send me a drawing of his set up. Sgt. Gunderson was Incredibly helpful and is the epitome of what a representative of the OSP and any LEO organization, should be.

Thank you Sgt. Gunderson.

Be safe all.

Bob

Update in case someone is interested. Sgt. Gunderson added that if you are using the Disabled Fishing Permit, on the Deschutes and are casting from an anchored boat, please put a sign on the side of the boat, indicating that a Disabled Angler is aboard.
 
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Draketake said:
We continued the discussion and he turned me onto a possible new way of anchoring, using a pulley, directly off the anchor. You add a fixed line back to the boat for that pulley to pull against. Sgt. Gunderson advises this setup would take even more weight off my anchor, as I pull it up.
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I use that type of setup on my drift boat. Here is a photo of mine. I believe the pulley came from Clackacraft. They offer a similar one on their website. Mine connects to a ring that I installed on the anchor bracket using the locking stainless link. They now come with a welded loop for the pulley system. The pulley does make retrieving the anchor easier.

I know one guide service on the Deschutes who holds onto the stern of the boat and walks it down for the disabled permit holder. Sounds like that is questionable. A sign on the boat would be good. That guide gets yelled at frequently.

ODFW is very visible and active on the Deschutes River and I always thank them for that. We are frequently checked in the roadless section between Mack’s Canyon and Heritage.

Mark


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Draketake said:
Got a call back yesterday, from Sgt. Craig Gunderson, OSP, The Dalles. He supervisors the personnel that are in charge of protecting the 100 miles of the Lower Deschutes. Top notch and personable gentleman.

Sgt. Gunderson said it would be pushing the ruling for me to exit the boat and hold the boat steady, while not having an anchor in the water. This was regarding my disabled friend casting from the boat, on the Deschutes. We continued the discussion and he turned me onto a possible new way of anchoring, using a pulley, directly off the anchor. You add a fixed line back to the boat for that pulley to pull against. Sgt. Gunderson advises this setup would take even more weight off my anchor, as I pull it up. Sgt. Gunderson even went so far as to send me a drawing of his set up. Sgt. Gunderson was Incredibly helpful and is the epitome of what a representative of the OSP and any LEO organization, should be.

Thank you Sgt. Gunderson.

Be safe all.

Bob

Update in case someone is interested. Sgt. Gunderson added that if you are using the Disabled Fishing Permit, on the Deschutes and are casting from an anchored boat, please put a sign on the side of the boat, indicating that a Disabled Angler is aboard.
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This is a bit off the original topic...

I use a two-part anchor pulley system on my raft. (It's not at all uncommon.) in addition to the 1:2 mechanical advantage this also places the bitter end of the anchor rope at the boat. In the event that the anchor is irretrievable the line can be cut at the boat and will unravel itself from the pulley. While one must replace both the pulley and anchor if that happens, at least the rope is preserved. For those whose anchoring system is tough to re-thread, this can be a real boon.

Curious that most boats on the D use a pyramid or knobby cylinder type of anchor - I'm guessing due to the nature of the rocks. I use a chain anchor, having come from the Yak.
 
@Eastside and @DFG,

Thanks for the input guys.

Mark can you show me how you put that terminal end of the anchor rope with the stainless locking ring, onto your anchor bracket. Ive got an idea but Im not sure I am thinking correctly. Sgt. Gunderson was talking about placing an eyebolt on the anchor bracket arm or on the transom. I kind of dont want to drill any holes into the boat/transom.

When your anchor is not deployed, does it drag some in the water? That is one of the things I dont want to do. Most of the videos Ive watched, the anchor drags just a little, as the pulley system seems to not allow the anchor to be drawn tight to the anchor bracket. In other words using he pulley system the anchor seems to be about 2-4 inches lower than if not using the pulley system. I think its due to the angle of the terminal anchor line going to the added fixed tie off spot.

With the extra rope out, maybe even as much as twice the amount, ( versus not using the pulley system) , do you find the extra rope gets more hung up on weeds, rocks, branches?

Do you guys have any problem with the anchor line twisting up and binding, at the pulley and or near the anchor bracket.? If so how do you compensate?

Thanks in advance.

Bob
 
Draketake said:
@Eastside and @DFG,

Thanks for the input guys.

Mark can you show me how you put that terminal end of the anchor rope with the stainless locking ring, onto your anchor bracket. Ive got an idea but Im not sure I am thinking correctly. Sgt. Gunderson was talking about placing an eyebolt on the anchor bracket arm or on the transom. I kind of dont want to drill any holes into the boat/transom.

When your anchor is not deployed, does it drag some in the water? That is one of the things I dont want to do. Most of the videos Ive watched, the anchor drags just a little, as the pulley system seems to not allow the anchor to be drawn tight to the anchor bracket. In other words using he pulley system the anchor seems to be about 2-4 inches lower than if not using the pulley system. I think its due to the angle of the terminal anchor line going to the added fixed tie off spot.

With the extra rope out, maybe even as much as twice the amount, ( versus not using the pulley system) , do you find the extra rope gets more hung up on weeds, rocks, branches?

Do you guys have any problem with the anchor line twisting up and binding, at the pulley and or near the anchor bracket.? If so how do you compensate?

Thanks in advance.

Bob
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I would love to show you but my boat is at a shop in Oregon having a few minor repairs and new gel coat, so I can’t. I drilled into the anchor bracket arm. When the anchor is pulled, it is snug against the anchor bracket. I don’t have issues with the anchor getting hung up or twisting and binding. When I get the boat back in a few weeks, I’ll take a photo of the anchor deployment….
 
To answer your question, the terminal end of the anchor rope clips into the eyebolt on the anchor bracket which is close to the end.
 
Mark,

Ill take you up on this generous offer:

" I would love to show you but my boat is at a shop in Oregon having a few minor repairs and new gel coat, so I can’t. I drilled into the anchor bracket arm. When the anchor is pulled, it is snug against the anchor bracket. I don’t have issues with the anchor getting hung up or twisting and binding. When I get the boat back in a few weeks, I’ll take a photo of the anchor deployment…."


Also:

Would you mind taking a picture on where and how you attach the terminal end of the anchor rope? Im trying to determine how far back I need to drill a hole or holes into the anchor arm bracket. I was thinking of drilling two holes, one on each side of the bracket and running a 1/4 inch bolt. I was thinking of hanging the locking carabiner off that bolt. Whats your thought on that set up?

As I drag my anchor up onto the bank a fair number of times each float, I was wondering how you address that. Im thinking you unclip the carabiner and let it slide down to swivel pulley? Then just grab the single rope, as oppossed to having to grab the double rope which you there if you dont unclip the carabiner?

Im still new to the driftboat game. Im trying to learn as much as I can.

Thank you all.


Bob
 
Here’s how I do mine.

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@PhilR ,

Morning.

If you have a minute would you take a picture of the back of your boat? Id like to see how the set up looks like. Could you also take a close up picture on how that setup looks when you float down the river?

It looks like you have a side mount anchor bracket like I do. Ill probably copy your set up. Im trying to visualize where to put the terminal anchor line connection point.

As I float, I dont want the anchor to drag in the water, but I may not have a choice. The Dierks side anchor arm is shorter in length, due to the offset angle. TAs a result, I am not sure how far down the arm I should drill. I also dont want the anchor to bang into the boat when the boat is moving downriver.

Thank you.

Happy Saturday.

Bob
 
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Draketake said:
@PhilR ,

Morning. When you have a minute would you take a picture of the back of your boat? Id like to see how the set up looks like. Could you also take a close up picture on how that setup looks lwhen you float down the river. In other words, what does it look like as you float down the river.

It looks like you have a side mount anchor bracket like I do. Ill probably copy your set up. Im trying to visualize where to put the terminal anchor connection point. As I float, I dont want the anchor to drag in the water, but I may not have a choice.

Thank you.

Happy Saturday.

Bob
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It might be a minute until I can get you a close up pic. My boat is a double ender, so what looks like a corner is actually the stern. There is a u-bolt through the stern post that I attach the rope to, and as you can see it is out of the water when floating. I just pull the rope tight.

Depending on the type of anchor mount you have, I’ve seen some with holes to connect the rope back to the mount itself. You might also contact the boat manufacturer for their advice.

I really like having the pulley for my heavier anchor setup, since I’m both lazy and weak. You won’t regret it.
 
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