Occupy Skagit, on steroids.

Curt, thanks for guiding us to this dataset. I'm curious on rivers that have don't having any monitoring data but are closed to all fishing - what is the basis to keeping them closed if there's no monitoring data? Not to say that they should be reopened but I'm curious if a river is once closed, that there's not much of a likelihood for it to ever reopen. Thanks.View attachment 182568
What you've identified is a feature of WDFW management style, not a flaw! At least not in their eyes
 
There is no way that the state is monitoring searun cutthroat abundance or the summer run steelhead run sizes for the S. Fork Nooksack.
Without a doubt both the sea-run cutthroat and summer run steelhead are two of most challenging of our anadromous fish to monitoring their population status. The bull trout would be the next on that list.

In the Puget Sound basin historically, it has been estimated that approximately 2% of its steelhead were native summer-run fish. Those summer fish in the Puget Sound steelhead recovery plan consisted of 5 populations. Those populations with their historic abundance estimate were South Fork Nooksack - 1,920, Deer Creek (NF Stillaguamish) - 3,311, Canyon Creek (SF Stillaguamish) - 530, North Fork Skykomish -728 and forks of the Tolt -1,655. Only the Tolt fish have regularly been monitoring with spawning surveys (going back to the mid-1980s, check SCORE).

The Tolt population was/is the easily monitored. It is spawning grounds is at the lowest elevation and fish spawn below a barrier that is downstream of the Seattle dam (for drinking water). Thus, two of the biggest challenges to consistently surveying the spawning during the March to May period (snow and lack of contrast between new redds and the stream bottom -lack of algae) are minimized). In some parts of the west during low flows late summer/early fall snorkel have used. On at least on the Tolt there was little relationship between such snorkel adult counts and the number redds seen the following spring. Recently a mark/recapture efforts on Deer Creek has shown some promise but even that has its own set of problems.

Recognizing those difficult survey conditions the old Department of Wildlife after the regularly marking of the hatchery smolts adopt regulations requiring the release of all unmarked steelhead during the summer in the Puget Sound region about 1985. As you can see in the Tolt summer steelhead escapement numbers there was an increase in the escapement numbers for a decade (reflecting the success of the regulation change?) but then decline to lower levels which have continued to today. Suspect much of the depressed production reflect conditions in marine waters (both Puget Sound and the ocean).

With laddering/truck and hauling) at the barriers on the South Fork Stillaguamish (Granite falls) and South Fork Skykomish (Sunset Falls) additional 'wild" populations have become established in both basins. Through the WDFW hatchery reports one can track how the number of unmarked fish are being trucked over Sunset Falls.

Bottom line as long as Puget Sound steelhead are ESA listed, I doubt that we will see any directed fishery (even CnR) at the region's wild summer steelhead. Though I suppose there is a small chance at either the Tolt or South Fork of Skykomish if the counts shown significant increases in abundances and an approved river management plans were developed.

Curt
 
How are you going to get around our horrible bad governor and equally bad legislators that don’t give a crap about fishing, hunting and purposely hire anti hunting & fishing people to the fish & game commission ???
 
How are you going to get around our horrible bad governor and equally bad legislators that don’t give a crap about fishing, hunting and purposely hire anti hunting & fishing people to the fish & game commission ???
Lawsuits and recall petitions ?
 
How are you going to get around... that don’t give a crap about fishing, hunting and purposely hire anti hunting & fishing people to the fish & game commission ???
Lawsuits and recall petitions ?
I am just a bit skeptical about the outcome of either approach

Elected Judges? :sneaky:
Recall petitions?
Approximately 8% to 9% of Washington's population holds a state fishing license
Approximately 2.3% to 2.4% of Washington state residents hold paid hunting licenses. Washington ranks among the lowest in the nation for the percentage of residents with hunting licenses.
 
I am just a bit skeptical about the outcome of either approach

Elected Judges? :sneaky:
Recall petitions?
Approximately 8% to 9% of Washington's population holds a state fishing license
Approximately 2.3% to 2.4% of Washington state residents hold paid hunting licenses. Washington ranks among the lowest in the nation for the percentage of residents with hunting licenses.
Well, those are the legal options that come to mind first... minority numbers aside, we do have options
 
How are you going to get around our horrible bad governor and equally bad legislators that don’t give a crap about fishing, hunting and purposely hire anti hunting & fishing people to the fish & game commission ???
If WDFW has become irrelevant in regards to recreational fishing in anadromous streams, how are the governor and legislators any more relevant? I intend to pay them no mind.
 
Speaking of that...has anyone seen any actual redd studies or escapement numbers for the native run on the Sky?
Yes, it's public info. Well, at least the redd counts are. I can't remember the formula they use to convert redd count to escapement, something like 1.5 fish per redd (because of multiple paternities, if I'm remembering correctly). Someone else probably knows - @Smalma?

Once you're in the link (below), click the 'data' tab (see snip below).
This dataset contains all the spawning ground redd surveys WDFW has done.
You can export this to CSV, which I recommend, so you can filter for the body of water you want.
There should be a redd count column in there.
I want to say the data goes back to the '40s, but I can't remember exactly - been a while (and a lot of beers) since I've done anything with it.

Here's the link:

Look for the data tab:
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If WDFW has become irrelevant in regards to recreational fishing in anadromous streams, how are the governor and legislators any more relevant? I intend to pay them no mind.
That’s what I’m talking about!
 
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Simple, not enough! Which is odd because you would think that would be the loudest voice to advocate for sportsman in this state. Its going to take both sides to make a difference.

I think the issue is the politicians don’t want to touch blood sports because of the associated ethical dilemmas for so many people. We are a small fringe group in the modern world. Why would politicians take a stand when it could cost them votes? So sports fishermen and hunters are not on the agenda ever at the top tier of politics.
 
I think the issue is the politicians don’t want to touch blood sports because of the associated ethical dilemmas for so many people. We are a small fringe group in the modern world. Why would politicians take a stand when it could cost them votes? So sports fishermen and hunters are not on the agenda ever at the top tier of politics.
Small fringe group practicing a blood sport that’s older than recorded history, older than culture, older than humanity. It’s a real ethical dilemma.
 
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