Occupy Skagit, on steroids.

I would participate. Why exclude the Puyallup?
I wouldn't discourage anyone from taking action, but two things here. First, Occupy Skagit knows the value of singular focus - never take your eye off the prize. Second, the Puyallup steelhead population has remained below the escapement goal for years, so there would be no steelhead season under the WA steelhead management policy. Also, there is no NMFS approved Puyallup steelhead management plan under the ESA.
 

Interesting to read about the Washington state "Fish Wars" of the 60s-70s. Even Marlon Brando was helping to net steelhead. Sport anglers might learn a few tactics from that era to regain their treaty rights to fish.

Some branding is in order for the headlines.
"Furious long rodders fight for renewed access to native fish"
Not comparable. Under federal case law, we non-treaty anglers have no treaty fishing right. We have a privilege administered by the state.
 
I do love this idea and would love to see a season sooner than later! We should pick a date or just each go when we can. I think a tube fly, without a hook would be my choice. Sad that we spent so much time on OS and have only had a few spring seasons.

Any WDFW meeting coming up that we could plan to go and speak at? Or at least have a large group to show them they need to figure out their budget!
I think some sort of two prong approach is needed.

I suspect the fast way to success is to go to the WDFW commission. The hope with a fish-in type approach is to catch the attention of the decision makers. Unfortunately, often those folks are so isolated that they may not even be aware of such efforts or believe they could safely ignore such efforts.

At the various commission meetings there are opportunities for open public comments (on any topic) that with these hybrid meetings can be supplied either in person or via Zoom. In the meetings that I have followed they take the in-person folks first and then if there is still time available, they take online comments with a 3-minute time limit. With the typical 1 1/2 hour open public comment period that would allow 30 people to speak. For those who were unable to speak are encouraged to submit written comments

My thinking is if OS 2.0 were to send a position paper to the commission a head of time, then folks commenting could personize their comments in support of that position paper. If a bunch of people could be lined up OS 2.0 could both dominate the public comments as well as illustrate the amount of interest. If 20 or more could show up in personal and comment and say a 100 or more online I think the process could be swamped. This could be done fairly soon (next commission in meeting in Olympia is June 11 and 12) which would hopefully set the groundwork for a season next year (if forecast is OK). A fish in next February (2027) would likely mean there would be little shot at a season until 2028.

Curt
 
Not comparable. Under federal case law, we non-treaty anglers have no treaty fishing right. We have a privilege administered by the state.
How about suing the state of Washington to restore flow of 100% of fishing/hunting license funds to WDFW instead of the state's general fund? It would certainly help fund the monitoring and enforcement.
 
How about suing the state of Washington to restore flow of 100% of fishing/hunting license funds to WDFW instead of the state's general fund? It would certainly help fund the monitoring and enforcement.
I've mentioned here before...the off-road community (WOHVA & NMA) had to do that back in the 2009 when the state took the $9.5M in NOVA funds. Went to WA supreme court and lost in 2012. 3 jerks agreed with the state, 2 spineless "judges" ruled it moot, and 4 judges agreed with the off-roaders.

And before you say anything about "just a bunch of rednecks on wheels", give the ole Google a try about NOVA. Citizens working WITH the state only to get screwed over in the end.

In this day and age it's the sound bite, that reel on FB or Insta that seems to motivate our politicians and even judges now. Sad, but seems to be the new game.
 
I've mentioned here before...the off-road community (WOHVA & NMA) had to do that back in the 2009 when the state took the $9.5M in NOVA funds. Went to WA supreme court and lost in 2012. 3 jerks agreed with the state, 2 spineless "judges" ruled it moot, and 4 judges agreed with the off-roaders.

And before you say anything about "just a bunch of rednecks on wheels", give the ole Google a try about NOVA. Citizens working WITH the state only to get screwed over in the end.

In this day and age it's the sound bite, that reel on FB or Insta that seems to motivate our politicians and even judges now. Sad, but seems to be the new game.
I agree the recent WA Supreme Courts have a very unorthodox view on taxation and state finances. It is an option to consider though.
 
How about suing the state of Washington to restore flow of 100% of fishing/hunting license funds to WDFW instead of the state's general fund? It would certainly help fund the monitoring and enforcement.
All of the license and fee money deposited in the state General Fund gets appropriated back to WDFW - unless something has changed that I haven't heard about. WDFW gets all that license money that used to go directly to the former WDG along with GF money that has always supported the former WDF, pre merger. WDFW has the money for Skagit steelhead monitoring because they are no longer spending $200,000/year to raise hatchery steelhead for the Skagit. They just choose to spend the money on something else.
 
I have to wonder what the current and future status of the Seattle City lights mitigation dollars is and how they are being spent?

Curt
 
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Coming out of this year's NOF somehow WDFW found enough monitoring dollars to schedule 267 days (likely to increase to 297 days depending on coho ISU) of salmon freshwater recreational fishing somewhere in the Skagit basin.

Curt
 
I agree the recent WA Supreme Courts have a very unorthodox view on taxation and state finances. It is an option to consider though.
Set it up, find an attorney/sportsman’s advocacy group who is willing to lock horns with King Fergie and his misguided priorities. I’ll throw some money into that ring.
 
I have to wonder what the current and future status of the Seattle City lights mitigation dollars is and how they are being spent?

Curt
The money from the 1995 license should be tapped out now after 30 years. That money was spent of off-channel chum salmon spawning habitat projects. I think all the suitable sites were developed over 10 years ago. The rest of that money was spent on land purchases to benefit fish and wildlife, often combined with Seattle's general environmental fund to acquire more land. Interestingly, in the recent 2025 license proceeding, Skagit County registered its opposition to SCL acquiring any more land for environmental mitigation because it removes property from the tax roles, thereby revealing the County's lack of dedication to protecting the environment. From what I've seen, the next license proposes to spend up to a billion dollars for fish passage, which if followed through, is likely to do less for fish than any of the measures in the past license, particularly streamflow management.
 
I wouldn't discourage anyone from taking action, but two things here. First, Occupy Skagit knows the value of singular focus - never take your eye off the prize. Second, the Puyallup steelhead population has remained below the escapement goal for years, so there would be no steelhead season under the WA steelhead management policy. Also, there is no NMFS approved Puyallup steelhead management plan under the ESA.
Nor Nisqually, Green, Snoqualmie or Nooksack. Who's checking escapement? These days, WDFW surely doesn't have the $$ to support staff for that! Tribes? If they had there way, they wouldn't want us to fish for anything. Why do escapement goals matter for C&R opportunity? F ESA. IMO they are there for one purpose. To recreate on. Otherwise what value do they have? Can seldom view, touch or commercial fish on them. If there are so few then you won't catch many, but still get a chance to. As was stated above, residents that live along closed waters fish on them regardless of regulations. I know more than one for sure.
 
Nor Nisqually, Green, Snoqualmie or Nooksack. Who's checking escapement? These days, WDFW surely doesn't have the $$ to support staff for that! Tribes? If they had there way, they wouldn't want us to fish for anything. Why do escapement goals matter for C&R opportunity? F ESA. IMO they are there for one purpose. To recreate on. Otherwise what value do they have? Can seldom view, touch or commercial fish on them. If there are so few then you won't catch many, but still get a chance to. As was stated above, residents that live along closed waters fish on them regardless of regulations. I know more than one for sure.
Spawning surveys have been done on the Nooksack up to at least 5-6 years ago. I know because I have asked the area bio. I do question their accuracy, but he should basically know if the population in increasing, decreasing or remaining steady. The Nooksack has a remarkably consistent number of spawners. it seems so consistent that I find it to be odd.

I loooked a bit yesterday for where I can submit a request for information with WDFW and could not find anything. I suspect that i am missing some obvious means to do this and will try again today to find out where I can ask for information regarding the number of anglers who participate in sprin chinook fishing on the skagit.
 
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Charles -
During the NOF process I asked WDFW staff for the angler effort for the Skagit freshwater recreational spring Chinook fisheries. I followed up post NOF with an email. As of today, I have not received any information. Will report if I get any of that information

In a 2025 report to the legislature about WDFW Fisheries Monitoring table 1 listed the freshwater salmon fisheries monitored. That list included:
Skagit hatchery spring Chinook (lower river) 4/24/ to 5/3/2025
Skagit hatchery spring Chinook (upper river) 6/1/ to 7/15/2025
Skagit sockeye 6/16/ to 7/31/2025
Snohomish hatchery Chinook (Skykomish) 6/10/ to 7/10/2025

WDFW does issue annual reports of the selective Chinook marine fishery reports for both summer and winter season (since about 2005) annual. Those reports include estimates of catch (harvest, sub-legal by-catch and NOR by-catch) by MAs as well as other interesting tidbits. Those reports are readily available in WDFW publications.

Curt
 
Nor Nisqually, Green, Snoqualmie or Nooksack. Who's checking escapement? These days, WDFW surely doesn't have the $$ to support staff for that! Tribes? If they had there way, they wouldn't want us to fish for anything. Why do escapement goals matter for C&R opportunity? F ESA. IMO they are there for one purpose. To recreate on. Otherwise what value do they have? Can seldom view, touch or commercial fish on them. If there are so few then you won't catch many, but still get a chance to. As was stated above, residents that live along closed waters fish on them regardless of regulations. I know more than one for sure.
Actually, there are annual steelhead spawning surveys on all of those streams (can find that data on WDFW's SCoRE summaries), much of those surveys is done by WDFW staff. Most time series go back to the 1980s.

The real hurdle to advance the potential steelhead (CnR?) fisheries on any of those basins will be the development of what the call River Management Plan (RMPs) which could then be submitted to the feds for ESA take approval. Even though those individual RMPs have been required since the 2008 statewide steelhead management plan to my knowledge the only Puget Sound basin that has been completed was the Skagit plan. Getting the agency commit to write the plan (directed by the Commission) and eventually completing it took a major portion of the 6 years to get approval of the Skagit fishery.

Curt
 
The real hurdle to advance the potential steelhead (CnR?) fisheries on any of those basins will be the development of what the call River Management Plan (RMPs) which could then be submitted to the feds for ESA take approval. Even though those individual RMPs have been required since the 2008 statewide steelhead management plan to my knowledge the only Puget Sound basin that has been completed was the Skagit plan. Getting the agency commit to write the plan (directed by the Commission) and eventually completing it took a major portion of the 6 years to get approval of the Skagit fishery.
The by basin RMPs is our biggest hurdle right now on all of our Puget Sound systems - The WDFW has not completed the measurement portion of their plan to assist or commit to a managed fishery. You can't manage what you don't measure, and if you never measure it, then you don't have to invest your budget to manage it.
 
I know the young man that was doing the surveys and science on the Nooksack. And probably helping on the Skagit and Stilly.
In fact, probably the one that would recommend if we have a season or not. He is a very intelligent scientist/biologist and a local Washington kid that fishes and hunts. Great fly fisherman.
Perfect candidate to have on the WDFW team. I would trust him 100% for his skills and confidence to recommend opening a C&R season, if the numbers can support it, or not opening a C&R season.
Unfortunately, he was laid off last July. Along with many other talented young people.

So am I confident the WDFW is doing redd surveys this year? Nope. Maybe on a couple rivers, but not near enough. Unless they're farming it out to someone. My confidence in the agency is at an all-time low.

I'm going to go tie some carp flies....
 
I know the young man that was doing the surveys and science on the Nooksack. And probably helping on the Skagit and Stilly.
In fact, probably the one that would recommend if we have a season or not. He is a very intelligent scientist/biologist and a local Washington kid that fishes and hunts. Great fly fisherman.
Perfect candidate to have on the WDFW team. I would trust him 100% for his skills and confidence to recommend opening a C&R season, if the numbers can support it, or not opening a C&R season.
Unfortunately, he was laid off last July. Along with many other talented young people.

So am I confident the WDFW is doing redd surveys this year? Nope. Maybe on a couple rivers, but not near enough. Unless they're farming it out to someone. My confidence in the agency is at an all-time low.

I'm going to go tie some carp flies....
I would read into that person's layoff............. is that freshwater Steelhead anglers and the PS rivers that they fish are not a top priority for the Department
 
Perfect candidate to have on the WDFW team. I would trust him 100% for his skills and confidence to recommend opening a C&R season, if the numbers can support it, or not opening a C&R season.
Cool, but there is already a management plan in effect. It requires monitoring, not a recommendation.
 
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