tkww
Life of the Party
My mom had an outback from around that time and was nothing but problems. That said, my dad has had a couple of SUVs (foresters?) and they've been great for him.
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More than my 12 gallon KIA tank!!
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Checking this out tomorrow. Ford is in the lead, but exploring other options.
Japanese for “never again.”
I like my 2019 Forester and liked my 2010 Forester before that. We had a bad outback with expensive problems, but other than that have had good experiences with Subies.
My wife is on her second Toyota Highlander hybrid, both of them bought used with 100K miles. Nice car.
We both had Toyota trucks when we met.
Here's a few vehicles from my younger days.
1. 1979 Mercury Cougar. I flew it off a VT interstate 30 feet airborne right side up then flipped end over end then rolled into a tree. Walked away.
2. 1972 postal jeep. God that thing was overpowered! I bought for $200, put a $400 pawn shop stereo system in it, and rocked and rolled with the doors slid back.
3. Toyota 2wd long bed, 22r engine. Great truck! I built a bed in the back and lived in it for 3+ years, making camp in national forests and traveling around the Northwest.
My wife is on her second Toyota Highlander hybrid, both of them bought used with 100K miles. Nice car.
We both had Toyota trucks when we met.
Here's a few vehicles from my younger days.
1. 1979 Mercury Cougar. I flew it off a VT interstate 30 feet airborne right side up then flipped end over end then rolled into a tree. Walked away.
2. 1972 postal jeep. God that thing was overpowered! I bought for $200, put a $400 pawn shop stereo system in it, and rocked and rolled with the doors slid back.
3. Toyota 2wd long bed, 22r engine. Great truck! I built a bed in the back and lived in it for 3+ years, making camp in national forests and traveling around the Northwest.
I hear of a few problem Subies, but not many. I'm on my 5th Subaru, and the only real problem I've had was with the used 2006 Outback I bought. It had had 4 owners; I should have guessed it might be a lemon, and man, it sure was! Which led me to Subaru #5, a '24 Crosstrek, which I'm enjoying as much as the 2000 Crocodile Dundee Outback, despite the lack of manual transmission. But like fatbillybob mentioned, electronics up the wazoo. I think it has over two dozen computer chips in it, so I bought the extra warranty just to cover all the electronic gizmos.
I'm 20 years strong with my GMC Sierra 2500 HD with the Duramax Diesel. But, I also tow a travel trailer. This truck isn't an every day driver, expensive to maintain, but, it's got a good engine in it, pre DEF. Diesels are definitely a different class truck, and I think way to many are being sold and driven as Everyday Drivers.
If it wasn't for towing, I'd be looking at a 1/2 ton truck, with a gasoline engine. I kind of like the hybrid option on some of the newer truck, but, as others have stated, the electronics will get you. I do have a desire to have what I call a dooms day truck, no, or very little electronics on it. Just a good solid engine, and no rusted out running boards.
If it wasn't for towing, I'd be looking at a 1/2 ton truck, with a gasoline engine. I kind of like the hybrid option on some of the newer truck, but, as others have stated, the electronics will get you. I do have a desire to have what I call a dooms day truck, no, or very little electronics on it. Just a good solid engine, and no rusted out running boards.
Yeah, it's why I have truck #2 - the 7.3L pre-def diesel F250. The pulling adventure rig. Keeps the hard towing miles off my F150 (my ocean boat is on the cusp of the towing limit). I would never have a big diesel as a daily driver, especially in urban settings. F150 is such a great daily, though.
wanderingrichard
Life of the Party
Lol, no it's been a derogatory misnomer used by the younger Lexus and Yota snobs for years.Hmmm...hopefully this is a misprint.
Ours has been a workhorse. Little League bus, house taxi, camp mobile, you name it. 6 transcontinental trips towing the camper, 3 north- south west coast trips, etc. For a family of 3 it's comfortable and accommodating.
We've done our regular and preventive maintenence as close to schedule as possible, and the reactive maintenence, while expensive, has been worth every penny.
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caution, though: if you do have a 4WD or AWD, service the darn PTU(power transfer unit in Ford's case), regardless of what the manual says. (many owners manuals tell you it never needs serviced. Not entirely true)Many of them are sandwiched tight to a catalytic converter and get baked every day. That's not good for the lubrication. Find a garage or dealer who will drain flush and fill it for you. Ask if they can drill and tap the bottom of the unit for a drain plug if it doesn't have one. You'd be shocked at how much gunk and metal shavings are left in the casings if there's no drain. That alone will save you thousands in repair costs.
wanderingrichard
Life of the Party
I think that's a good practice for any "modern" car purchase these days. We started doing that when we bought Kay's Rogue.
We're on our third used "Exploder" current is a 2010, about 150,000 on it - our previous (used, 100 K when we bought it) was at 270,000 when I bagged it when we left Bend. The one before that was a Sport model, over 200K on that one, so I have no complaints ...Lol, no it's been a derogatory misnomer used by the younger Lexus and Yota snobs for years.
Ours has been a workhorse. Little League bus, house taxi, camp mobile, you name it. 6 transcontinental trips towing the camper, 3 north- south west coast trips, etc. For a family of 3 it's comfortable and accommodating.
We've done our regular and preventive maintenence as close to schedule as possible, and the reactive maintenence, while expensive, has been worth every penny.
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Many of them are sandwiched tight to a catalytic converter and get baked every day. That's not good for the lubrication. Find a garage or dealer who will drain flush and fill it for you. Ask if they can drill and tap the bottom of the unit for a drain plug if it doesn't have one. You'd be shocked at how much gunk and metal shavings are left in the casings if there's no drain. That alone will save you thousands in repair costs.
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I was watching some videos on new rigs last night as I’ll likely be looking in the future.
One popped up of a guy discussing Toyotas. He mentioned the list price of the top of the line new RAV4 model would likely be $60k.
SF
One popped up of a guy discussing Toyotas. He mentioned the list price of the top of the line new RAV4 model would likely be $60k.
SF
New rigs are still a tough sell for me. While the used market has skyrocketed in cost, still not like new rigs.
Worth 20% less when you leave the dealer lot, and turn on to the road.
The less I spend on a rig, the happier I am.
Current rides include a 25 year old Ranger with 200k as work rig, and a 16 year old Civic with 100k as a personal driver.
Next rig will be a used something or another with 50-75k on it.
Worth 20% less when you leave the dealer lot, and turn on to the road.
The less I spend on a rig, the happier I am.
Current rides include a 25 year old Ranger with 200k as work rig, and a 16 year old Civic with 100k as a personal driver.
Next rig will be a used something or another with 50-75k on it.
speyflyfisher
Steelhead
It's about to the point of looking for clean rust-free older trucks for rebuild for those times you need a truck.
To meet modern mileage requirements, durability is taking a back seat. I know my 2020 taco recommends 0-20 motor oil that
I assume is to eke out a bit more mpg. I run a bit heaver during the warmer months. If space and money were not an issue, I would have an older truck with a LS mostly smog free transplant or diesel if I had something larger to tow and something else for a daily driver.
To meet modern mileage requirements, durability is taking a back seat. I know my 2020 taco recommends 0-20 motor oil that
I assume is to eke out a bit more mpg. I run a bit heaver during the warmer months. If space and money were not an issue, I would have an older truck with a LS mostly smog free transplant or diesel if I had something larger to tow and something else for a daily driver.
This is me. Different strokes for different strokes, as they say. But if I bought new rigs through my adult life, I'd be in a very different financial position than I am now.New rigs are still a tough sell for me. While the used market has skyrocketed in cost, still not like new rigs.
Worth 20% less when you leave the dealer lot, and turn on to the road.
The less I spend on a rig, the happier I am.
Current rides include a 25 year old Ranger with 200k as work rig, and a 16 year old Civic with 100k as a personal driver.
Next rig will be a used something or another with 50-75k on it.
I own two rock solid Ford trucks and two boats - one for tuna and other ocean critters, and one for the Columbia River near me, all combined I'm into them for less than the cost of a single new truck. So two boats and a truck for each boat. No part of my brain can comprehend why I'd trade all that for a new truck.
(We also own my Wife's car and our 17yr old son's car). No payments on anything.
Not always a consistent rule depending on vehicles…. Pickup don’t fall off as bad as many when driving off the lot. Why I bought my F150 and Raptor new.New rigs are still a tough sell for me. While the used market has skyrocketed in cost, still not like new rigs.
Worth 20% less when you leave the dealer lot, and turn on to the road.
The less I spend on a rig, the happier I am.
Current rides include a 25 year old Ranger with 200k as work rig, and a 16 year old Civic with 100k as a personal driver.
Next rig will be a used something or another with 50-75k on it.
speyflyfisher
Steelhead
Edmonds as says a new F 150 one trim level below the lariat could be had for just under 48K. Which isn’t that mich more than the 42k 5 year old lariat. That’s why my truck purchases have been new negotiated to around invoice. Don’t know what you can negotiate down the used one.
I prefer going the other way: buy used, repair and maintain to stimulate the existence of a durable and sustainable economy not based on cheap disposable products... Including vehicles.
That first part is a mouthful. 'How to not retire' puts a lot of lip service on depreciating assets, especially when financed.