Fitness/Health/Exercise Stuff with Evan

Evan B

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Ok, been talk of doing a thread on this, but it's taken me a VERY long time to figure out how to approach it.

For those who don't know, I'm a certified trainer in a number of different fitness areas. I coach classes at a local gym several days per week. The number of people I coach is typically anywhere from 60-100 per week, so I see a lot of different people in very different stages of their journey.

I receive a number of private messages here asking for help. In short, I can't really provide programming for anyone publicly for free. Given my employment, there are clauses about doing that in my employment agreement. It's a local business with only 6 of us employed there, and the owners are friends, but I'm very mindful of honoring that. If anyone DOES want a plan or programming from me, I can absolutely do it and could explore the option of making a subforum here with special access for those of certain PNWFF Supporter levels who request it. Since it's not publicly viewable, I can absolutely provide it there. I also can't do it for free, thus the special access for certain supporter levels.

With that, there still is some advice I can offer outside of giving specific plans or programming to help you out.

1. As we age, I think many (or majority) of folks seriously underestimate the importance of REGULAR exercise. As in, a habit that happens nearly every day. I also think most underestimate how much they actually have to do in order to receive the real benefit. Many say things like "yeah I walk my dog around the block once a day which is all I need." I mean, sure, that's better than nothing. But you're not even coming close to stimulating the nervous system in a way that's going to do much more than barely slow your physical decline. I also think some don't think we can be physically fit as we age: I coach many in their 60s and even 70s who would literally and figuratively run circles around many in their 20s. You just have to put in the work and know that recovery may take a bit longer.

2. If you're attempting to do this on your own, I can almost guarantee you're doing it wrong. I can't think of a more diplomatic way to put it, so I'll just be blunt. Whether you're coming up with a program/plan yourself, watching youtube and following along, reading an online program from some website or blog, etc... I can almost guarantee, without exception, that you are not doing the movements correctly. How do I know? After working with hundreds to possibly thousands of people who walk through the door the first time and say their experience is "doing my own thing." Nearly every single one, unless they had previous professional coaching or other experience, does the movements in a manner that at best doesn't give the desired result, or at worst leads to injury (the more likely one). You might THINK you are doing what you're seeing on screen, but there's so much you're missing, and often our body awareness isn't as sharp as we think when starting out.

3. Proper movement requires professional assessment. This is a continuation of the previous point. Whether it's your squat, lunge, push-up, pull-up, any number of weightlifting movements, and I'm not just saying this to "sell" services, it's just my 15yrs of experience speaking; without someone who really knows what they're doing correcting and getting your body into the proper positions and mechanics, you are at risk of poor range of motion, poor mechanics and injury. I say this as someone who hates seeing people put in work and not getting the results they expect, and worse, seeing someone end up injured, losing their motivation they found in the first place.

4. Self-motivating rarely works out for long. It takes a very rare, specific type of person to make a plan, workout at home (or a globo gym like Golds or whatever) and stick to a very consistent regimen that gets results. How many times have you started something, done it a couple times then fizzled? Probably a lot (I know I was one for a while). Without accountability, be it a coach, a class, or group of friends who meet every day to workout, it's going to be a very tough road ahead to stay consistent.

5. You need to do more than you probably expect. I see so many people start, and really stick to what's "comfortable" or the path of least resistance. I'll always say that something is better than nothing. But a lot of the somethings are not much better than nothing. Sitting and doing bicep curls a couple times a week is doing almost nothing for you (which could send me on a whole other tangent I'm probably going to hit in the next point). Walking the dog is absolutely something that is better than sitting on the couch (and some days, it's the only thing I do). But it isn't much of a fitness regimen. Getting to the level that is going to actually get you in better shape and active as we age is far beyond this. It requires a certain level of resistance training, and sustained aerobic exercise at certain heart rate levels.

6. Bodybuilding vs functional fitness. Many confuse the two. I talk to many who go to a gym, hit the same cable machines every day and call it good. These isolated muscle movements are for bodybuilding and provide very little benefit to our overall fitness. Their goal is aesthetics, not a functional movement that recruits supporting muscle groups. There's a few free weight isolated bodybuilding movements like dumbbell curls as well. Nothing wrong with these per se, but they're a separate category that I don't think benefits the audience here the way they think. There's of course some overlap here and there, but resistance training should be movements that recruit stabilizing muscle groups and core.


Ok I've already typed more than most will probably care to read. I am happy to answer some questions here outside of giving any workout plans. But if there's interest in programming and more structured help, I can start entertaining the idea of a PNWFF FITNESS MEMBERSHIP WITH ACCOUNTABILITY.

I've attempted to help friends with programs and stuff over the years (outside the gym), and almost none of them, ever, have followed my advice. I'm willing to try again and change that.
 
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I read every word.

As someone who is aging out of a "B-team" professional athletic career coupled with all the reasons to not start/be unmotivated/fall off the wagon/cut corners and everything else you've outlined, I'm on board with this idea. Until I either don't start/get unmotivated/fall off the wagon, or cut corners. ;)

Now it's time to walk my dog.
 
Just to show I practice what I preach, here's my general weekly rundown. No, I don't recommend doing this level unless you are way far along in this process.

Yes, most of these overlap, so I'm doing multiple per day in the different sessions.

4-5 days per week: Gym: Weightlifting/Strength and metabolic conditioning (with mobility and bodyweight accessory work.

3-4 days per week: Running. I aim for 20-25mi per week. Currently also aiming to do at least one half marathon on my own per month.
 
I would give a pnwff fitness membership a try. I could use a bit of assessment and accountability!
 
My New Years resolution is to final do physical therapy for my knee. Once my knee works without filling with fluid, I'd be game to do something with accountability.
 
I think you are on to a great thread.

What do you think about heart rate training in zones? I hear current thinking is 80% zone 2 and 20% zone 4/5 and to stay out of zone 3. I have only used a heart rate monitor in the last couple years and it sort of hinders me like a guard rail. I have had 35 years of intense kickboxing and a bunch of other martial arts which ment 1hr workouts 3minute rounds to exhaustion. That's just how we trained back in the 70's. It's all I know. Fast forward last 2 years I'm on my bike mounted on stationary wahoo trainer and zwift. At age 65 the calculators seem to underestimate my max heart rate. The hunt calculation "for those who already exercise" seems closest to real life for me at 169bpm because I can easily get up to 175 but back off of fear of hurting myself. From 160-170 I'll drop 35-40bpm in 1 minute at rest. I feel like I get a workout doing a minimum of 10 miles and a sweat at a sustained 145-160 where I can still carry a conversation. Zone 2 with 110 heart rate is so low I can't imagine this is doing anything for me except waste time. I could train in zone 2 all day and not get tired. What are your thoughts on this?
 
I'm interested, although we've talked before. I need some flexibility and strength training. Walking yes, running no.. lots of changes going on for me now. Cheers!
 
Physical activity had a lot more impacts/benefits than just Physical. It can also have 'side' benefits. It can reduce stress levels, a great thing. It also has a beneficial impact/improvement on mental health.

Is this something that we can learn more and why it is important, at a high, generic, level?
 
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I think you are on to a great thread.

What do you think about heart rate training in zones? I hear current thinking is 80% zone 2 and 20% zone 4/5 and to stay out of zone 3. I have only used a heart rate monitor in the last couple years and it sort of hinders me like a guard rail. I have had 35 years of intense kickboxing and a bunch of other martial arts which ment 1hr workouts 3minute rounds to exhaustion. That's just how we trained back in the 70's. It's all I know. Fast forward last 2 years I'm on my bike mounted on stationary wahoo trainer and zwift. At age 65 the calculators seem to underestimate my max heart rate. The hunt calculation "for those who already exercise" seems closest to real life for me at 169bpm because I can easily get up to 175 but back off of fear of hurting myself. From 160-170 I'll drop 35-40bpm in 1 minute at rest. I feel like I get a workout doing a minimum of 10 miles and a sweat at a sustained 145-160 where I can still carry a conversation. Zone 2 with 110 heart rate is so low I can't imagine this is doing anything for me except waste time. I could train in zone 2 all day and not get tired. What are your thoughts on this?

Zone 2 is one that took me a loooong time to come to terms with in my run training. Like you say, it just doesn't give you that same level of intense feeling you're used to. It just serves a very different purpose. Its benefits come into play for endurance training mostly (there's other benefits, but this is the most tangible one). If you're wanting to train for a half marathon for example; If you go out hot every day you train and run in threshold zones, you'll probably never build the capacity to make it much past a couple miles before you gas out.

Those zone 2 workouts are meant to be long. If you stick to that zone, you can hit longer endurance targets and actually build capacity for going longer with more intensity as your training progresses. We could go into a whole other tangent about mitochondrial adaptation and fat metabolism/metabolic efficiency benefits of zone 2, but I need to not write a novel every time I respond here.

Similarly, zone 3 has most of its usefulness in the endurance world. While zone 2 is about building capacity without intensity (our ability to go further) with low fatigue, zone 3 is that next step up where we're starting to train/maintain intensity over longer periods. This is where I spend a lot of my maintenance runs. I'm not looking to build capacity when I go out for a 5mi familiar route, but I do like to maintain some level of ability to maintain intensity without the need for several days of recovery like going over threshold (zone 4 & 5) would do. It's a way to kind of toe the intensity line while maintaining high training volume.

Example "maintenance" run from two days ago:
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Compare to the "all out" effort from 1.5wks ago where I basically had to take the rest of the week off from running with only light gym sessions (this is more like race day only effort):
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So to compare to what you're talking about using this heart rate zones in short intervals: that's where they have less usefulness and benefit. High intensity interval training, which it sounds like is what you're usually doing, should be done going in and out of the threshold and anaerobic zones.
 
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If you’re doing heart rate training make sure to get either a chest or upper arm strap heart rate monitor. Watch based monitors are garbage, especially running as they will often get locked into cadence.
Agreed. Chest monitors also aren't all that expensive.
 
I already fizzled on my New Year's resolution, having tweaked my back on New Year's Eve. My pain level is just now decreasing to where I can almost resume normal function without narcotics. I'm trying stretches to see if that pinched nerve can't reposition some. I had intended to rejoin the health club this month, but I need to get to the point where I can participate first. I think I'd like to do spin classes again for cardio; I used to ride a lot.
 
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