In defense of the fly fishing club

Guy Gregory

Semi-retired
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Civic organizations have been in decline most of my adult life. The 2000 book Bowling Alone by Robert Putnam documented the late 20th century decline in these organizations and associated social connections. Expanding work expectations, later maturing families, and electronic media beginning with television led Kiwanians, Rotarians, Knights of Columbus and Shriners, bowlers and softball players became generally groups of older folks, either executives or retirees. By the 2010s, as the internet became everywhere in-person meeting groups became extremely rare. Then the Covid pandemic killed nearly all remaining vestige of any civic network. Nowadays opportunities to gather are rarer than hen’s teeth, and most member-driven outdoor organizations are down to a few holdouts, folks who’d otherwise just meet for lunch every month or so.

My fly club was no exception. Once vibrant and strong, club membership had aged, key members had passed away or otherwise ceased engagement. Similarly archaic membership rules had made it difficult to re-invigorate the body. Our meeting attendance was dwindling. As Covid prevented us from meeting in person and Zoom went over many members’ heads, we looked to be headed to the scrap heap.

For most of my life I’ve been a fly angler. I’ve pursued it as a solitary activity, or as an activity with my immediate family. But as I approached 50, I had some co-workers and friends with which I enjoyed angling and outdoors. Some had joined the more exclusive of the local fly angling clubs. As they retired I realized I’d not see them at all unless I joined too, so I applied and became a member. And as I hate to be in a boat and not pull an oar, I volunteered for some club activities and committees with which I’d been comfortable in other non-profits.

It was the first recreational club I’d joined. I had a lot of time devoted to conservation or public land organizations. This recreational club is way more diverse in terms of people and backgrounds than the others were, and way more interesting. During Covid I was remarkably isolated. I recognized the value of community, even the Zoom community this club represented. So I actually engaged more. And I fell in with some visionary folks who felt that since we’re a fishing club, we should go fishing. Together. With other anglers. Simple.

My original friends who joined the club are all gone now. But I’ve made new friends, and been introduced to fishing places and techniques I’d have never known otherwise. And in my late 60’s I’ve found learning is a wonderful thing to do.

Making new friends and having more fun are things we don’t associate with adulthood or retirement ages of our lives. Civic engagement allows us to do that….gathering and working together toward a goal as we all know is a terrific way to build community and relationships. One of the biggest afflictions of retirees and older folks is a difficulty in making friends. New friends mean new ideas, new experiences. Those are good for you and make living longer worth the trouble.

In most and my club, we’ve a wide range of individuals who bring lots of things to the table: tools, effort, insight, experience, interests, and yes baggage. Yes, we’re struggling to attract younger folks as members, attract women anglers, attract those whose backgrounds are not immediately that of the “traditional western outdoorsman”. We have made progress, and stuff takes time. In the end, we’re rediscovering what those that started this club in the post-Korean War era knew … forming a group of folks that wants to go fishing is a good way to go fishing. Folks want to fish. Folks want to learn about fishing from other folks. It’s fun to meet at a place and fish. Maybe have a lunch or a beer in the parking lot with folks you know a little bit. Talk about the day. With jokes and dogs and gigantic fish stories and small fish stories and maybe a trophy award later in the month to let others who could not attend in on the fun. In that way you make more and new friends, learn and do and catch more fish, and have more fun.

On the web, this board and others foster a sense of community I find very attractive. Folks get together from time to time, and the crowd narrows and widens as things evolve over time. I gather with a couple of you irregularly, and with a couple other groups of widespread old friends on occasion. But we're fairly anonymous, and I still mostly fish alone or with my dog.

But before you dismiss your local club as just a bunch of old guys, invest a few hours and attend a meeting of a nearby local fly club. Be open minded, share your knowledge, ask questions, maybe volunteer for some small thing: local adipose fin cutting, a maintenance day at some local access. Attend a fly tying night. Be friendly, trust and be trustworthy. Make some friends and go fishing. Over time I think you’ll find what comes back to you is a great deal more than you imagined.
 
It's not just the in-person clubs, this forum deals with a similar issue. We have an aging forum user-base with little to no replenishment from the younger generations. I think our youngest usual contributors are mid to late 30s if my estimates are right. Us admins are much younger than our average user, and we're all in our mid 40s.

Younger folks are very much tuned-in to bite-size pieces of info fed to them like a firehose. Their "social" life is through online videogames, TikTok, and other such things. I have a 17yr old and it's been painful to watch as he grows. We've tried, but there's only so much you can do. Thankfully, he's started doing a few in-person activities with some of his friends from school band class.

I don't know that I have solutions, but the problem is absolutely the addictive nature of the online social platforms and the way the internet in general has evolved. Everything is about keeping eyes on the screen and dumping as much at them as possible. Their entire worldview was shaped by this and it's extremely difficult to compete with algorithms specifically designed to hook young people.
 
It’s nice to feel young two weeks out from my 38th bday, thanks guys.

I’m certain that Covid followed immediately by having two kids less than two years apart has stunted my social abilities. I’m just terribly outta practice. But at the same time I find myself wishing fishing was more of a social activity. Not that I don’t enjoy fishing alone, but I’d rather go with a fishing buddy. Maybe a flyfishing club is the answer once the little toddler goblins have grown into a somewhat easier age class.
 
I have never joined a fly fishing club, but I have investigated a few over the years. Outdoor group events, fly tying, and providing training to young people would make it worthwhile to me. Stuffy indoor cigar and booze festivals repel me. The aging out of fly anglers is very alarming for sure. We do need to put serious effort into youth participation, but the steep decline in Washington's fisheries isn't helping.
 
My local TU chapter has about 400 members. If 12 actually show up for a meeting, that is a big crowd. The local Fly Fishing Association meetings are better attended with 25-50 people coming as the meetings are held in a pub and one can purchase food and/or adult beverages. The caveat to those meetings is that the average age of the attendees is about 127 (+/-).
 
I am too young (spring chicken of 36) to have an informed opinion on these things, but to my eye hasn't it always kind of been this way? Those clubs and groups require a mix of free time and disposable income that is generally concentrated in near retired or retired peoples. There will be exceptions, but as much as I'd love to join a fly club I can rarely get time to go to a tying night at a brewery, much less take off for a weekend float. So for me, fly club is something that exists in my future , and I imagine a lot of dad's of young kids feel the same way. They still won't join until they're 50, just like they always have.
 
I am too young (spring chicken of 36) to have an informed opinion on these things, but to my eye hasn't it always kind of been this way? Those clubs and groups require a mix of free time and disposable income that is generally concentrated in near retired or retired peoples. There will be exceptions, but as much as I'd love to join a fly club I can rarely get time to go to a tying night at a brewery, much less take off for a weekend float. So for me, fly club is something that exists in my future , and I imagine a lot of dad's of young kids feel the same way. They still won't join until they're 50, just like they always have.
I was about your age when I joined PSFF.org. There surely was a "good old boy" attitude from some of the krusty old curmudgeons but there were also enough anglers near my age who were open to "meeting up" for the day. I still fish with three of those long time friends. Now we're the krusty old curmudgeons - but I'm still game to "meet up" with other folks interested in the sport who don't care if I'm a wrinkled and tired old fart.
 
This might ruffle some feathers but I consider fly clubs where old men go to socialize.
I tried three different ones near me when I first started and they were a snooze fest. Most of the people there didn’t even fish anymore or if they did it was maybe an eastern Washington lake once a year in the spring and an S River if it was open during the fall.

Maybe there’s some good ones out there but I got the impression it’s where fly fishermen go to die.
 
Clubs are usually full of old folks...doesn't matter what the club is. Exceptions being beer and other alchohol related clubs...old guys can't drink as often as the younger folks.
Clubs take time, younger folks don't have the time.

A lot of clubs are run by the same types that run HOA'S and Condo boards...too many rules for rules sake, not a thing that younger folks are all that into also.
 
I think participation in associations/clubs are a natural fit for those folks who have gregarious personalities and have sufficient discretionary time.

While I have the requisite time I have absolutely no inclination to do so, being quite happy to recreate alone, or in the company of a very few kindred souls.

After a lifetime of meetings, agendas, and projects I'm done with that part of my life.
 
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Agree with a lot of things that people have already said. When I moved up to Whidbey last year I decided that a fly fishing club might be a good way to meet people. Looked into the couple that are near me and quickly came to the conclusion that they weren't going to work. They all had a requirement to go to multiple meetings to even join, and once you did join (if they 'accepted' you that is) you had to volunteer to be on a committee, plus pay dues. I don't mind going to a meeting if its worth the time, but I've been to 'club' meetings before and I don't really want to spend several hours of my free time listening to people who think Robert's Rules of Order are the greatest thing since sliced bread, oh and by the way let me tell you about this sandwich I had for lunch three days ago . . .

One club at least made the requirement that you had to go to two 'club activities' which included a monthly fly tying get together at a bar, which sounded awesome right up until I realized that the meetups happened at 2pm on a wednesday (and I think only during the winter?) I have a job, and it involves going to a good amount of meetings. I don't need another job just to be able to talk to some old men about fishing.
 
A couple of years ago (around age 60) I joined a fly fishing club for the first time. All the younger folks that I had been fishing with had all moved away for jobs, so I needed another group of people to call and get out. I didn't grow up here (Vancouver BC), so I didn't have a large stable of fishing buddies within a short drive.

Unlike some of the clubs described here, our club is very active, with numerous scheduled and impromptu outings throughout the year. Meeting are well attended and interesting. Bureaucratic BS is kept to an absolute minimum, and we have a monthly "methods session" to learn everything from new flies to boat modifications. I haven't belonged to any sort of club up until now (at least since boy scouts), but this group is active and friendly. Meetings are in the evenings so people with jobs can attend, and dues are low. There are requirements to participate in various activities before being made a member, but I think this makes sense. Why have a bunch of inactive members? The club membership does skew older, I believe because older people just have more time. We would like to have more women join the club, more young members, etc. But for someone who has never been a "joiner", I'm finding it fun, educational and rewarding. And I have a few folks with whom I'm regularly fishing now.
 
Glad to hear a club is doing it right, and it works .
 
You want to attract younger people, don’t plan the majority of the outings mid-week. For the retirees this is great; the younger working crowd…not so much. Also, the younger crowds haven’t the financial resources or haven’t had the time to collect the gear that retirees have. Retirees love the still waters…younger folks need a bit more stimuli to keep engaged.
 
You want to attract younger people, don’t plan the majority of the outings mid-week. For the retirees this is great; the the younger working crowd…not so much. Also, the younger crowds haven’t the financial resources or had had the time to collect the gear that retirees have. Retirees love the still waters…younger folks need a bit more stimuli to keep engaged.
Completely agree.
If young people aren't joining your club the problem isn't young people, its that your club isn't set up in a way that attracts young people. I always hear that 'young people aren't interested in fly fishing' but I see a ton of young people out on the river fly fishing, which makes me think that the more accurate statement is that young people aren't interested in engaging with other fly fisherman in the same ways that older fly fisherman engage. Honestly I don't think thats even that groundbreaking. I see the same thing with the gun community. One national club I'm a member of has wildly different demographics when you look at the traditional forum vs. facebook vs. discord vs. the national meeting every year.
 
I dunno, seems like we've got a pretty wide cross section of folks here on this site to fish with. 🤷‍♂️

Seems a lot like a club of sorts...

I honestly can't tell you how many I've met and would fish with again from here. Every single one of my current fishing friends (some really great friends outside of just fishing) except for one have come from either Westfly or here (I'm including the old site in this definition).
 
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I was about your age when I joined PSFF.org. There surely was a "good old boy" attitude from some of the krusty old curmudgeons but there were also enough anglers near my age who were open to "meeting up" for the day. I still fish with three of those long time friends. Now we're the krusty old curmudgeons - but I'm still game to "meet up" with other folks interested in the sport who don't care if I'm a wrinkled and tired old fart.
I do consider this my fly fishing club. I've gotten to fish with a few guys, swap gear with others and have plans to do more of that! If I had to show up here every week at a time for an amount of time, it likely wouldn't work.

I don't mind wrinkled tired farts so maybe we can sometime too!

Love this forum
 
You want to attract younger people, don’t plan the majority of the outings mid-week. For the retirees this is great; the younger working crowd…not so much. Also, the younger crowds haven’t the financial resources or haven’t had the time to collect the gear that retirees have. Retirees love the still waters…younger folks need a bit more stimuli to keep engaged.
I fully agree. My club's outings are almost all on weekends, with an occasional longer trip for those who can stay longer. Honestly, i think a lot of the issue is getting the word out. I never considered joining a club when I was younger. But I now see where there are some advantages.

And I have also met some great people with whom I still fish through this forum and the "old" forum.
 
I do consider this my fly fishing club. I've gotten to fish with a few guys, swap gear with others and have plans to do more of that! If I had to show up here every week at a time for an amount of time, it likely wouldn't work.

I don't mind wrinkled tired farts so maybe we can sometime too!

Love this forum
As I think about your post and @clarkman's just before, you are both right on (Right on! How's that for taking it back decades?) as I've met a fair number of WFF and PNWFF members and spent time fishing, telling fibs, sharing meals and getting to know new people and fisheries.

I enjoyed your trip report when you and @Matt B met up sans oars.
 
Like Buzzy, years ago I belonged to PSFF in Tacoma. I live next to Sea Tac airport and Thursday evening meetings starting around 6:00 pm driving in the parking lot aka southbound I-5 at that time was ridiculous! I also used to belong to TU, five chapters merged into one because of membership. There were quite a few members but monthly meetings it would be the same 6-10 people?? Good to pay the dues to keep the organization alive but no show for meetings. Pretty lame so I dropped out of both. My take on younger fly fishers is they work, lots have young families and extra time isn’t on their side. Barely enough time to be weekend warriors. Like most old clubs like the Elks club for instance are dying dinosaurs…..my .02 GO FISH!
 
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