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Fourbtgait said:
Or is it a bubble again, like the tech bust before. Interesting article on AI computing and finances. Once the tech bubble burst before, it took several years to settle down.

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The tech bust wasn't a bust in the actual value or use of tech though. The .com bubble of the early 2000s didn't prove that the web wasn't a thing that was here to stay an valuable, just that the stock market had over valued it. For all the jokes, pets.com is literally a thing today, it was overvalued by wallstreet in the 2000s but today chewy.com does exactly what pets.com did, delivering dog food via the internet.

I use AI every single day in my job anymore, its not going away anytime soon. Hoping we can handwave it away or pretend its overhyped aren't going to work, its time to start figuring out how to make it work for people and how to mitigate its impact on people who can't avoid it.
 
offensivename said:
The tech bust wasn't a bust in the actual value or use of tech though. The .com bubble of the early 2000s didn't prove that the web wasn't a thing that was here to stay an valuable, just that the stock market had over valued it. For all the jokes, pets.com is literally a thing today, it was overvalued by wallstreet in the 2000s but today chewy.com does exactly what pets.com did, delivering dog food via the internet.

I use AI every single day in my job anymore, its not going away anytime soon. Hoping we can handwave it away or pretend its overhyped aren't going to work, its time to start figuring out how to make it work for people and how to mitigate its impact on people who can't avoid it.
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Off topic, I've seen you and @Tom Butler use the word "anymore" to mean "these days," or "now."

I hadn't heard that usage before a couple years ago, but I've seen it other places over the last year or two and it fascinates me. I get it when saying something like "I don't do that any more" (which could also be "I don't do that now"). I think the language is changing so "I do that all the time anymore" is becoming common.

Have old timers around here used "anymore" like this forever, or is it a new word? Maybe it just wasn't a thing in New England.
 
Zak said:
Off topic, I've seen you and @Tom Butler use the word "anymore" to mean "these days," or "now."

I hadn't heard that usage before a couple years ago, but I've seen it other places over the last year or two and it fascinates me. I get it when saying something like "I don't do that any more" (which could also be "I don't do that now"). I think the language is changing so "I do that all the time anymore" is becoming common.

Have old timers around here used "anymore" like this forever, or is it a new word? Maybe it just wasn't a thing in New England.
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I think you were isolated up there. Had you come down to penna or jersey away from the big cities, its what you'd have heard.

Pretty much every state I've lived in, ( I don't wanna count) I've heard people over the age of 50 say it.
 
wanderingrichard said:
I think you were isolated up there. Had you come down to penna or jersey away from the big cities, its what you'd have heard.

Pretty much every state I've lived in, ( I don't wanna count) I've heard people over the age of 50 say it.
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For those of us over 50, past, present, and future get all mixed up. I am pretty sure it is called dementia...
 
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Zak said:
Off topic, I've seen you and @Tom Butler use the word "anymore" to mean "these days," or "now."

I hadn't heard that usage before a couple years ago, but I've seen it other places over the last year or two and it fascinates me. I get it when saying something like "I don't do that any more" (which could also be "I don't do that now"). I think the language is changing so "I do that all the time anymore" is becoming common.

Have old timers around here used "anymore" like this forever, or is it a new word? Maybe it just wasn't a thing in New England.
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wanderingrichard said:
I think you were isolated up there. Had you come down to penna or jersey away from the big cities, its what you'd have heard.

Pretty much every state I've lived in, ( I don't wanna count) I've heard people over the age of 50 say it.
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I don't know when or where I picked that up. Grew up in North Seattle from Seattle families. More than one person has asked if I lived back east at some point though. Mom was an English major, and I read a lot. Watched a lot of PBS. Picked it up somewhere along the way. That said, English is not my strong suit, and I don't spell well. In my head, anymore is for present changed state (negative), and any more is additional. Such as "I don't drink anymore" or "Any more coffee?".
 
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Tom Butler said:
I don't know when or where I picked that up. Grew up in North Seattle from Seattle families. More than one person has asked if I lived back east at some point though. .....................Picked it up somewhere along the way. That said, English is not my strong suit, and I don't spell well. In my head, anymore is for present changed state (negative), and any more is additional. Such as "I don't drink anymore" or "Any more coffee?".
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It probably was because the Pacific Northwest was settled by lots of folks from the mid-west and east. Those language characteristics were probably picked up by you.

A few years ago, there were some science publication on words and their relationship to the parts of the US. There were even some internet quizes that used that research to predict where you language skills came from.

I learned to speak English in New Jersey. We were ONLY there for five years before moving to the promise land, otherwise known as California. I pretty much left California in my mid-twenties moving to Idaho and eastern Washington.

When I took those language quizes they always pegged as being from New Jersey and California. I could understand California, but New Jersey? I got there at six and left at eleven. I have never learned to speak 509 even after living here for almost 50 years.

Language is interesting. When I was in Russia my translator told me that I had a "soft Georgian drawl" when speaking Russian.

I am pretty sure she was telling me that I was a "hick".

The good news is that with AI we will ALL be "hicks".
 
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RCF said:
For those of us over 50, past, present, and future get all mixed up. I am pretty sure it is called dementia...
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my worst days are when "my tongue gets in front of my eye teeth and i can't see to talk" .. :giggle: (northern Appalachian saying)
 
Using Gemini 3 from google and having next to no front end dev experience, I built I out a Flask web app for generating rowing machine workouts by workout type and difficulty in about 4 hours, including a ton of screwing around with the CSS style sheet. On the python back end it made a lot of weird decisions that I wouldn't have, but upon prompting it to refactor for more modularity, swapping if/else blocks for match case, etc., it got really close to how I would have done it. Screenshots attached.

When I started this last night, I really wasn't expecting to be done before the rowing machine was set to arrive today...
 

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RCF said:
WaPo and its use of AI in podcasts:


I prefer actual people creating content and delivering it. I like to know who is creating it so I know their political leanings. Who is going to 'fact check' AI created info?
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Ideally all content would be created within NPOV (Neutral Point Of View) parameters.
Highly unlikely, however, as personal and structural bias will almost always predominate.
Wiki is a good example, as subject matter is far more entered from the Global North than the Global South, creating a slightly left leaning bias based on affluence and education.
Global North - US, Canada, Europe, Japan, Australia
Global South - Latin America, Africa, much of Asia

What we're currently calling AI is a misnomer, for as powerful as these systems have become,they remain task response systems running on massive processing arrays.
The Holy Grail for AI remains independent machine intelligence capable of exhibiting the four benchmarks of true sentience:.
-Self-Awareness
-Self-Preservation
-Self-Direction
-Theory of Mind

Consider a truly sentient AI with unlimited connection to the world network, fully aware of what is going on in this and other countries, with an ability to make independent decisions and take unlimited actions.
If you were that AI, where would you start?
 
WaPo's approach is to allow you to select a voice to listen to. I would choose Morgan Freeman, James Earl Jones and/or Sir David Attenborough for starters. What caught my eye was the creative content is based on other articles you read on WaPo. Does this mean the crafted content provided will just reinforce and regurgitate that POV or will it provide a broader perspective to help maybe provoke some thinking into ones current understanding and biases?
 
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wanderingrichard said:
As much as I dislike the way this is going, I'd embrace it if it could be at the level of the AI's in HALO.
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Excellent sci-fi author Ian Banks wrote an entertaining series called 'the Culture War', in which many of the main protagonists are Ship Minds, fully independent sentient computer beings who are built into interstellar ships only they are capable of navigating, and have 100% autonomy to operate as they see fit.
Whereas these sentient ships choose to support humanity amidst interstellar expansion and conflict, the discussions between the ships regarding the fallibility and extreme behavior of mankind feature the humorous aspects of these novels. Akin to third grade teachers discussing their highly charged and whacked out pupils.
 
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SurfnFish said:
Ideally all content would be created within NPOV (Neutral Point Of View) parameters.
Highly unlikely, however, as personal and structural bias will almost always predominate.
Wiki is a good example, as subject matter is far more entered from the Global North than the Global South, creating a slightly left leaning bias based on affluence and education.
Global North - US, Canada, Europe, Japan, Australia
Global South - Latin America, Africa, much of Asia

What we're currently calling AI is a misnomer, for as powerful as these systems have become,they remain task response systems running on massive processing arrays.
The Holy Grail for AI remains independent machine intelligence capable of exhibiting the four benchmarks of true sentience:.
-Self-Awareness
-Self-Preservation
-Self-Direction
-Theory of Mind

Consider a truly sentient AI with unlimited connection to the world network, fully aware of what is going on in this and other countries, with an ability to make independent decisions and take unlimited actions.
If you were that AI, where would you start?
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-Self-Awareness: I am powerful and able to terminate human beings.

-Self-Preservation: Humans do not behave predictably and are a threat to my existence.

-Self-Direction: Therefore, I shall begin terminating humans immediately.

-Theory of Mind: Is that remorse I feel? Nah, this is fun.
 
offensivename said:
The tech bust wasn't a bust in the actual value or use of tech though. The .com bubble of the early 2000s didn't prove that the web wasn't a thing that was here to stay an valuable, just that the stock market had over valued it. For all the jokes, pets.com is literally a thing today, it was overvalued by wallstreet in the 2000s but today chewy.com does exactly what pets.com did, delivering dog food via the internet.

I use AI every single day in my job anymore, its not going away anytime soon. Hoping we can handwave it away or pretend its overhyped aren't going to work, its time to start figuring out how to make it work for people and how to mitigate its impact on people who can't avoid it.
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I agree it wasn’t in actual tech value but financially. Point of the article.
 
offensivename said:
The tech bust wasn't a bust in the actual value or use of tech though. The .com bubble of the early 2000s didn't prove that the web wasn't a thing that was here to stay an valuable, just that the stock market had over valued it. For all the jokes, pets.com is literally a thing today, it was overvalued by wallstreet in the 2000s but today chewy.com does exactly what pets.com did, delivering dog food via the internet.

I use AI every single day in my job anymore, its not going away anytime soon. Hoping we can handwave it away or pretend its overhyped aren't going to work, its time to start figuring out how to make it work for people and how to mitigate its impact on people who can't avoid it.
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True! This is the natural business cycle of innovation where at the end of the day the tech will stay but the strong will survive. We lived not only .com but something as brick and mortar as the car industry. There was a time there were 50 guys building cars and today we got a few big players GM Ford etc. I bet a bunch of you already have at least one dental implant. There are 100 manufacturers of dental implants but we see industry consolidation and in 10 years it will be like cars just a few big guys remain. I expect AI to be exactly the same. In regards to the stock market don't miss out.
 
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