NFR AI - How It Will Affect Jobs In The Next 5 years

[Scottybs]

There’s two aspects of higher education that weigh heavily on its efficacy. 1). Did the education regime produce an adult that needs little or no remedial or basic skill training to enter the workforce in a well paying job. Too many of the companies (big and small) that I consulted for over the years complained that a great many new hires couldn’t do basic math, listen or speak well, do basic research or solve problems. Despite a college degree, they lacked basic skills needed in the workforce. That deficiency reduced their value to the long term success of the enterprise and clearly impacted costs and compensation. 2). A higher education is an investment, it costs $$ and too many students fail to understand the basics of ROI. Incurring large amounts of debt to get an education in a field in which typical compensation is barely enough to make minimum payments on that debt is just financial ignorance. Add a poor education to boot just aggravates the poor ROI. It is no different than buying a lot of junk with high interest credit cards, only paying the minimum payments and wondering why you are constantly deep in debt and don’t have anything to show for it.

Too many Bachelors of Arts in Applied Starbucks Studies…. But hey Seattle’s new mayor has their back… On a different note, I started a small aviation scholarship last year for students at the high school I graduated from long ago… zero takers… I place a lot of blame for career development at that level.

 

[Fourbtgait]

There’s two aspects of higher education that weigh heavily on its efficacy. 1). Did the education regime produce an adult that needs little or no remedial or basic skill training to enter the workforce in a well paying job. Too many of the companies (big and small) that I consulted for over the years complained that a great many new hires couldn’t do basic math, listen or speak well, do basic research or solve problems. Despite a college degree, they lacked basic skills needed in the workforce. That deficiency reduced their value to the long term success of the enterprise and clearly impacted costs and compensation. 2). A higher education is an investment, it costs $$ and too many students fail to understand the basics of ROI. Incurring large amounts of debt to get an education in a field in which typical compensation is barely enough to make minimum payments on that debt is just financial ignorance. Add a poor education to boot just aggravates the poor ROI. It is no different than buying a lot of junk with high interest credit cards, only paying the minimum payments and wondering why you are constantly deep in debt and don’t have anything to show for it.

That goes back to sounding like a K-12 issue, basic math, speaking/debate, writing, along with parents talking about personal finances, etc. one needs a solid foundation before going into college or a vo-tech.

 

[JudyM]

Hell yeah, bring back Home Economics!

 

[RCF]

Until things shake out in the next few years, employment and careers will be challenging. Anywhere AI replaces jobs will create competition for any job openings. College graduates vs. experienced. College degrees vs. college degrees with proper major with one or more minors. Continuing education while employed.

One will need to set themselves apart and above.

 

[Scottybs]

Until things shake out in the next few years, employment and careers will be challenging. Anywhere AI replaces jobs will create competition for any job openings. College graduates vs. experienced. College degrees vs. college degrees with proper major with one or more minors. Continuing education while employed.

One will need to set themselves apart and above.

A little bit of Apples and Oranges… but still some correlation, remember all of the fear of Y2K and the world was going to end? Sure there are going to be some changes, but investments continue to pour into leisure travel, goods, etc. If middle to low upper class earners who are said to receive the largest kick in the teeth with AI, I would guess the stops would be pulled out. My $.02.

 

[JimTravers¤£a!!Travers]

With AI you're gonna have to PRESENT THE CASH!!!! no way around it you're gonna have to Present The Cash! Gonna have to prusent the cash big early on to Gain Respect.

 

[fatbillybob]

There’s two aspects of higher education that weigh heavily on its efficacy. 1). Did the education regime produce an adult that needs little or no remedial or basic skill training to enter the workforce in a well paying job. Too many of the companies (big and small) that I consulted for over the years complained that a great many new hires couldn’t do basic math, listen or speak well, do basic research or solve problems. Despite a college degree, they lacked basic skills needed in the workforce. That deficiency reduced their value to the long term success of the enterprise and clearly impacted costs and compensation. 2). A higher education is an investment, it costs $$ and too many students fail to understand the basics of ROI. Incurring large amounts of debt to get an education in a field in which typical compensation is barely enough to make minimum payments on that debt is just financial ignorance. Add a poor education to boot just aggravates the poor ROI. It is no different than buying a lot of junk with high interest credit cards, only paying the minimum payments and wondering why you are constantly deep in debt and don’t have anything to show for it.

the problem starts at the top. The ivys have remedial math classes when those students should never have been admitted. Places like ucsd have 1 of 8 students can’t do 8th grade math level. We have too many participation awards under the guise of positive self esteem and positive mental health instead of teaching age appropriate stress and stress management. This leaves us with a non functional adult.

 

[fatbillybob]

Until things shake out in the next few years, employment and careers will be challenging. Anywhere AI replaces jobs will create competition for any job openings. College graduates vs. experienced. College degrees vs. college degrees with proper major with one or more minors. Continuing education while employed.

One will need to set themselves apart and above.

Maybe…what know one knows about is what jobs might be created because of AI? Computers got rid of fleets old typists but a whole new industry of IT for example was born. In my time we advertised in print media. By mid career there were employees that manage your business social media. What will AI produce?

 

[SurfnFish]

Until things shake out in the next few years, employment and careers will be challenging. Anywhere AI replaces jobs will create competition for any job openings. College graduates vs. experienced. College degrees vs. college degrees with proper major with one or more minors. Continuing education while employed.

One will need to set themselves apart and above.

A core education problem in the US has been in place well before AI emergence, which is we are still teaching our kids on the centuries old Edwardian K-12 model that was abandoned in most of Europe decades ago.
In Sweden/Denmark/Switzerland for example, high school is three years, not four, and focuses more on thinking development and less on passing memorization tests.
During their second year the students work with counselors to decide if they want to continue their education with a major, in which case their third year is essentially their first year of college, or focus on a vocational direction with their third year including hands on training.
Then after high school, the majority of them will finish up their respective education major or trade/skills path in two to three years, both educations tuition free, paid for by general income taxes, no different than maintaining their military, roads or providing free health care. So their kids are taught at a higher level while younger, and are fully ready for the job market by 20 or 21 without debt in most cases.
I managed projects in those three countries over a course of years that kept me there for a couple of weeks at a time, during which I was frequently at the dinner table in the home of folks I was working with that had become friends, talking a lot with their various kids, who invariably presented themselves as far more mature and savvy then most kids their age in the US are.
Thanks to real time world access 24/7 via the internet, our kids are fully aware of what is going on around them, and meanwhile we test and grade them on decades old mostly irrelevant curriculum, and complain how they are glued to their cell phone screens in school. And the current movement to ban ''unacceptable' books and classes in education or face heavy fines? That will help our students be more competitive in a world threatening to pass them by?

 

[fatbillybob]

A core education problem in the US has been in place well before AI emergence, which is we are still teaching our kids on the centuries old Edwardian K-12 model that was abandoned in most of Europe decades ago.

Wasn't "common core" a national revamp of k-12 but failed all students rich and poor? I guess we did not learn anything from that?

 

[SurfnFish]

Wasn't "common core" a national revamp of k-12 but failed all students rich and poor? I guess we did not learn anything from that?

throwing mud at a wall, see what sticks.
And immigration has really diluted education in many areas - daughter in law teaches grade school in San Jose, has a high percentage of Latino students whose parents primarily speak Spanish at home, show up with reading and verbal skills well below average, causing her to teach at the low bar, results being the entire school district consistently scores low on national assessment evaluations.
Our national investment - US Defense budget 900B, US Dept of Education 90B.
Priority - smarter bombs than children

 

[RCF]

I fully agree the K-12 model is broken. I also agree our schools/colleges are not preparing our kids for the 'real world'. Heck, even when I graduated in early 70's that was true... One of the few things I still use from high school were classes on money management and investing. Looking back, colleges also did not prepare us for the future. We were not allowed to us calculators because it put others at a disadvantage.

Way back I think IBM was going down a better path. After working there a couple of years, you would sit down with management and decide whether you wanted to follow a technical path or a management path. They were responding to what should of occurred in high/school and college.

My wife and I adopted two girls from China. On our first trip there we toured the country for almost a month. We saw lots of sites and visited lots of museums - so much history... In Beijing, our guide wanted to take us to a former Olympic site. We said we wanted to meet some 'common' people and sit down and talk with them. She was surprised but figured out a way to do that. She took us to the outskirts of Beijing and found someone that was willing. In the course of discussion, a mother let it be known she lived on $1,200/year from the state. As she prepared lunch for us (which she could not afford BTW) she talked about what was most important was for her child to get a college education. It was highly competitive to be able to that. But that was her primary focus in life, I do believe. That was 30 years ago.

There is a reason why H1B visas are so prevalent today. Foreign countries are preparing their populations with a better education with specialized skills so that they are more productive. One would think the US would get this and improve our education system. But no, we got ' no child left behind'. That is lowering standards, not raising the bar...

 

[Tom Butler]

And immigration has really diluted education in many areas - daughter in law teaches grade school in San Jose, has a high percentage of Latino students whose parents primarily speak Spanish at home, show up with reading and verbal skills well below average, causing her to teach at the low bar, results being the entire school district consistently scores low on national assessment evaluations.
Our national investment - US Defense budget 900B, US Dept of Education 90B.
Priority - smarter bombs than children

I got kicked out of a PTA meeting and asked not to come back for bring this up repeatedly when my son was in 5th grade.

 

[SurfnFish]

I got kicked out of a PTA meeting and asked not to come back for bring this up repeatedly when my son was in 5th grade.

the schools have their backs up against the wall on this issue. They have to have the kids in seats as their level of local/state/fed $ support is based on the percentage of enrolled attendance that show up each day, while they may have students in class that are completely unprepared for the grade level, anchors on what can be taught.
The answer to all of our questions remains as always, money.
In the richest nation on earth, education and healthcare should be viewed as rights, not tax payer burdens.
Our national priorities could not be more f'd up

 

[Scottybs]

A core education problem in the US has been in place well before AI emergence, which is we are still teaching our kids on the centuries old Edwardian K-12 model that was abandoned in most of Europe decades ago.
In Sweden/Denmark/Switzerland for example, high school is three years, not four, and focuses more on thinking development and less on passing memorization tests.
During their second year the students work with counselors to decide if they want to continue their education with a major, in which case their third year is essentially their first year of college, or focus on a vocational direction with their third year including hands on training.
Then after high school, the majority of them will finish up their respective education major or trade/skills path in two to three years, both educations tuition free, paid for by general income taxes, no different than maintaining their military, roads or providing free health care. So their kids are taught at a higher level while younger, and are fully ready for the job market by 20 or 21 without debt in most cases.
I managed projects in those three countries over a course of years that kept me there for a couple of weeks at a time, during which I was frequently at the dinner table in the home of folks I was working with that had become friends, talking a lot with their various kids, who invariably presented themselves as far more mature and savvy then most kids their age in the US are.
Thanks to real time world access 24/7 via the internet, our kids are fully aware of what is going on around them, and meanwhile we test and grade them on decades old mostly irrelevant curriculum, and complain how they are glued to their cell phone screens in school. And the current movement to ban ''unacceptable' books and classes in education or face heavy fines? That will help our students be more competitive in a world threatening to pass them by?

They’re also much more homogenous societies as a whole. WA state is very close to on par in $ spent per student as the nations listed above. The problem is not in the resources allocated per student, it’s curriculum and cultural.

 

[SurfnFish]

The problem is not in the resources allocated per student, it’s curriculum and cultural.

the current culture war has done more to warp higher education than at any other time in US history.

 

[Scottybs]

the current culture war has done more to warp higher education than at any other time in US history.

Couldn’t agree more, and it begins in primary education.

 

[Dustin Chromers]

Personally I think AI is the final nail in the coffin for human intelligence. I get that it has implications in modeling and research but just like the Internet the steadily declining intelligence masses will just use it for porn and stupid shit. It will make day trading an automatic thing that will not be remotely resembling investment in companies due to innovation or strong financials and more akin to casino trend analysis. In the end it will be a technology that further erodes health and quality of life for average people not to mention the propaganda possibilities it opens up.

In short it will do for people and culture what side drifting did for steelhead angling. People will catch more fish and the experience will be degraded as it's unearned and crowded.

 

[Salmo_g]

In the richest nation on earth, education and healthcare should be viewed as rights, not tax payer burdens.
Our national priorities could not be more f'd up

Agree and disagree. Definitely f'd up. Part of an education overhaul should include aligning students with their capabilities, plus their potential. Case in point, your DIL's school with Latino students at below average skill. Maybe it would mean putting kids currently in 4th or 5th grade in the 1st grade, if that is their current skill level, so be it. Even when I was in school over 50 years ago, they would go to great lengths to avoid "flunking" a student and making him repeat a grade due to the negative social effect. Yeah, but what about the negative academic and intelligence effect of pushing the student forward to keep on failing for the rest of their school years, and perhaps for their entire lives? And if there are a significant number of such students, then it brings the whole group down by teaching to the least common denominator. Which then results in consistently low scores on standardized tests.

American education needs a defined purpose. Is it to babysit, or educate? If educate, then organize it to do just that. Organize it around what kids can do rather than by age groupings. Even if that means one classroom of 5 to 10-year olds learning to tie their damn shoes. If that is all they can handle, then meet them there. At least they'll be skilled at tying shoelace knots by the end of the school year. Organize the rest of the elementary school around reading and math skill levels. I heard that the American "woke" thing has been to do away with "gifted & talented" education because it makes the unselected students feel left out, ungifted, and untalented. Duh! Yeah! When my kids were in elementary school they were selected for G&T. One teacher who I otherwise liked and respected was opposed to G&T based on his rationale that "all kids are gifted." Bullfvckingshit! If that were true, all students would have IQs of 140. They don't. There's a bunch of dummies, a bunch of average students, and some that are just unbelievably smart. They should all be taught from the level where they are at and toward where they have the potential to go. Before Christmas break in the 3rd grade, my kids had read every book in the elementary library.

Then there's the whole cultural dynamic that has the US lagging behind the other advanced nations. To wit, America's Greatest Generation produced and raised the Baby Boomer generation to be generally speaking, lousy parents. Not everyone, of course. (I had a lot of friends who were teachers, and my ex-wife once worked at an elementary school - what an eye opener!) It was shocking to learn that so many kids showed up at school in the mornings inadequately clothed, unfed, and far too often unloved. Is it any wonder that they aren't "ready to learn?" It's a sad commentary on society that the school needs a breakfast program in addition to the lunch cafeteria just so that all students can begin their school day without a nutritional deficit. And then the entitled Boomers blame teachers and the education system for their kids not getting a quality education.

And boy have I really gotten off track here, but hopefully y'all understand. And yeah, fvck AI. Human intelligence still needs critical work.

 

[SurfnFish]

Agree and disagree. Definitely f'd up. Part of an education overhaul should include aligning students with their capabilities, plus their potential. Case in point, your DIL's school with Latino students at below average skill. Maybe it would mean putting kids currently in 4th or 5th grade in the 1st grade, if that is their current skill level, so be it. Even when I was in school over 50 years ago, they would go to great lengths to avoid "flunking" a student and making him repeat a grade due to the negative social effect. Yeah, but what about the negative academic and intelligence effect of pushing the student forward to keep on failing for the rest of their school years, and perhaps for their entire lives? And if there are a significant number of such students, then it brings the whole group down by teaching to the least common denominator. Which then results in consistently low scores on standardized tests.

American education needs a defined purpose. Is it to babysit, or educate? If educate, then organize it to do just that. Organize it around what kids can do rather than by age groupings. Even if that means one classroom of 5 to 10-year olds learning to tie their damn shoes. If that is all they can handle, then meet them there. At least they'll be skilled at tying shoelace knots by the end of the school year. Organize the rest of the elementary school around reading and math skill levels. I heard that the American "woke" thing has been to do away with "gifted & talented" education because it makes the unselected students feel left out, ungifted, and untalented. Duh! Yeah! When my kids were in elementary school they were selected for G&T. One teacher who I otherwise liked and respected was opposed to G&T based on his rationale that "all kids are gifted." Bullfvckingshit! If that were true, all students would have IQs of 140. They don't. There's a bunch of dummies, a bunch of average students, and some that are just unbelievably smart. They should all be taught from the level where they are at and toward where they have the potential to go. Before Christmas break in the 3rd grade, my kids had read every book in the elementary library.

Then there's the whole cultural dynamic that has the US lagging behind the other advanced nations. To wit, America's Greatest Generation produced and raised the Baby Boomer generation to be generally speaking, lousy parents. Not everyone, of course. (I had a lot of friends who were teachers, and my ex-wife once worked at an elementary school - what an eye opener!) It was shocking to learn that so many kids showed up at school in the mornings inadequately clothed, unfed, and far too often unloved. Is it any wonder that they aren't "ready to learn?" It's a sad commentary on society that the school needs a breakfast program in addition to the lunch cafeteria just so that all students can begin their school day without a nutritional deficit. And then the entitled Boomers blame teachers and the education system for their kids not getting a quality education.

And boy have I really gotten off track here, but hopefully y'all understand. And yeah, fvck AI. Human intelligence still needs critical work.

off track or not, what matters is taking the time to think about the subject matter and respond, which is getting rarer in this zero sum culture today of 'I win when you lose.'
Until we have leadership capable of bringing us together instead of purposefully dividing us, we'll solve very few societal problems.