The 2025 NFL Season Discussion

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Mossback said:
Was reading the Giants fan forums...
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This pretty much sums things up
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I am a lifelong Giants fan and I can think of one other loss that is equal to this one or more heartbreaking. That was when the Giants fumbled the ball with seconds left in the game and the Eagles recovered the ball and ran it in for the winning touchdown. Does not compare to the collapse that happened today, but it was a very tough loss to swallow.
 
Herm Edwards...

That was along time ago, like over 50 years.
Sports does things to a person...
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Niners just keep stealing wins. A lot of big missed plays on both sides.

Niners D showed up. I don't know how to look it up but they must be the youngest D in the league right now.
 
Yard Sale said:
Niners just keep stealing wins. A lot of big missed plays on both sides.

Niners D showed up. I don't know how to look it up but they must be the youngest D in the league right now.
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There was never really a stretch last night where 9ers didn't seem in control.
 
clarkman said:
wow! that was crazy! and crazy emotional swings in that 4th Q
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Even my lady who doesn't really have much interest in football was on the edge of her seat. I damn near had a heart attack.
 
CM leading the entire league in combined yards, at this point the injury decimated Niners playing third stringers in the starting lineups. Huge props to what Saleh is doing with such a young and inexperienced crew on D. And whoever imagined Mac Jones would prove to be such a stud...again, superb coaching getting the best from the players.
As a fan who well remembers the decades before the 'Camelot' years of Montana and Walsh when we were just hoping for a .500 season, have nothing but admiration for how this team shows up each week ready to rumble.
 
SurfnFish said:
CM leading the entire league in combined yards, at this point the injury decimated Niners playing third stringers in the starting lineups. Huge props to what Saleh is doing with such a young and inexperienced crew on D. And whoever imagined Mac Jones would prove to be such a stud...again, superb coaching getting the best from the players.
As a fan who well remembers the decades before the 'Camelot' years of Montana and Walsh when we were just hoping for a .500 season, have nothing but admiration for how this team shows up each week ready to rumble.
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This is like bizarro season. Entire league is on IR, but CMC is somehow still upright.

@Brute back to the Pete being coach thing... I just don't see how it's going to improve with him there. Pete has some MASSIVE flaws in how he does things that really became apparent when he didn't have a defense full of hall of famers on one side, and Lynch + Prime Wilson on the other side. A good coach will take a mediocre roster and get you at least 8 or 9 wins. I don't think Pete is the guy who can do that anymore.

His philosophy is not and never has been "ok, this isn't working, let's change what we're doing and right the ship." His way is "we'll do this thing that isn't working, but try to do better."

Even in his prime couple years with Legion of Boom, the entire league knew they were just doing the same Cover 3 on every play, the perssonel was just so good that you couldn't do much about it. But a few years later, he was still doing the same thing with scrubs like Tre Flowers.

He'll hire "yes men" to be his position coaches and coordinators to run the schemes he's comfortable with, and will stick by them to a fault. He gets like this with underperforming players, too.

He never had NFL success before the Legion of Boom, and fell off after that despite some ok winning seasons (with early playoff exits).

The past 10yrs or so, I feel like his best use would be in an advisory role or some kind of "team president" where he sets the culture. Not someone making personnel or game planning decisions.
 
Evan B said:
This is like bizarro season. Entire league is on IR, but CMC is somehow still upright.

@Brute back to the Pete being coach thing... I just don't see how it's going to improve with him there. Pete has some MASSIVE flaws in how he does things that really became apparent when he didn't have a defense full of hall of famers on one side, and Lynch + Prime Wilson on the other side. A good coach will take a mediocre roster and get you at least 8 or 9 wins. I don't think Pete is the guy who can do that anymore.

His philosophy is not and never has been "ok, this isn't working, let's change what we're doing and right the ship." His way is "we'll do this thing that isn't working, but try to do better."

Even in his prime couple years with Legion of Boom, the entire league knew they were just doing the same Cover 3 on every play, the perssonel was just so good that you couldn't do much about it. But a few years later, he was still doing the same thing with scrubs like Tre Flowers.

He'll hire "yes men" to be his position coaches and coordinators to run the schemes he's comfortable with, and will stick by them to a fault. He gets like this with underperforming players, too.

He never had NFL success before the Legion of Boom, and fell off after that despite some ok winning seasons (with early playoff exits).

The past 10yrs or so, I feel like his best use would be in an advisory role or some kind of "team president" where he sets the culture. Not someone making personnel or game planning decisions.
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I agree with you, to a point…while I was worried that his coaching philosophy was dated (I felt the same about Gruden), having a strong running game, which allows for effective play action passes …and a physical defense that pressures the qb to help the db’s cover tight for at least 3 seconds is a winning game plan, and does not require a franchise qb to pull off (que SB Bears & Ravens)…but only works if you have the personnel, which we don’t. Besides having an older qb who cannot evade the rush or find the open receiver within 3 seconds, we have a porous O-line that is poor at pass protection (but better at run blocking)…we are constantly behind the sticks offensively, which takes us out of the run game, and all of a sudden need to rely on the qb to make the right play…and we have the wrong qb for that. Constant 3 and outs leaves our defense on the field far too long, which cascades into an overall piss poor performance…it is really hard to pick a franchise qb in the draft…and after years of whiffing in the first round, we are where we are.

I was also afraid that Pete, being so long in the tooth, was not interested in rebuilding the offense from the trenches first since his window to win is short…unfortunately I think I’m right…and we again get mired in a new coaching/OC regime carousel…the same thing that killed Carr’s career
 
Brute said:
I agree with you, to a point…while I was worried that his coaching philosophy was dated (I felt the same about Gruden), having a strong running game, which allows for effective play action passes …and a physical defense that pressures the qb to help the db’s cover tight for at least 3 seconds is a winning game plan, and does not require a franchise qb to pull off (que SB Bears & Ravens)…but only works if you have the personnel, which we don’t. Besides having an older qb who cannot evade the rush or find the open receiver within 3 seconds, we have a porous O-line that is poor at pass protection (but better at run blocking)…we are constantly behind the sticks offensively, which takes us out of the run game, and all of a sudden need to rely on the qb to make the right play…and we have the wrong qb for that. Constant 3 and outs leaves our defense on the field far too long, which cascades into an overall piss poor performance…it is really hard to pick a franchise qb in the draft…and after years of whiffing in the first round, we are where we are.

I was also afraid that Pete, being so long in the tooth, was not interested in rebuilding the offense from the trenches first since his window to win is short…unfortunately I think I’m right…and we again get mired in a new coaching/OC regime carousel…the same thing that killed Carr’s career
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Pretty much in agreement. He's sticking to his plan, but his plan only works if the talent is there. He's a VERY one dimensional coach with a very predictable, boring game plan. The entire NFL knows exactly what his team is going to do. All he has is Crosby and a bunch of random guys, which isn't going to cut it with that plan.

I think a more creative coach could make this a middle of the pack team. Pete being Pete, he's going to try to roll out the same thing with the same people every week until he's fired.

I was one of the few who seemed very relieved we got rid of Pete and Russ both the minute I heard the news. I feel like both were a couple years too late overall. But I'm VERY glad we waited and got MacDonald. He seems to be the dude.
 
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Gruden.....on top one day......a footnote the next day.
 
And as tired I am of the Chiefs, Mahomes remains #1 without a close second.
No one has his combo of arm, movement, intelligence and ability to constantly see the field...he's like friggin Neo after he swallowed the pill in Matrix, everything just happens slower for him.
 
Both MNF games will be good ones tonight...
 
With all the holes the Raiders have, I still question them taking a running back at #6 in the first round. They should have traded down and gotten more picks.
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Veteran WR Tyler Lockett has asked for and received his release from the Tennessee Titans, per source. Lockett is expected to be free to sign with another team after 4 pm ET Wednesday.
 
Stonedfish said:
With all the holes the Raiders have, I still question them taking a running back at #6 in the first round. They should have traded down and gotten more picks.
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Possibly, like draft Jaxon Dart and Jeanty if still available in the 2nd round…however I said the same thing about Jacobs when we took him…and he is still great.

I believe Jeanty can be a great back…but every great back still needs a decent oline
 
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