NFR Pertussis/Whooping Cough

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Wife had covid a few weeks ago. We'd both been immunized for covid and flu about two weeks before that. Her symptoms were short-lived, mild, and I never exhibited any...but I tested myself several times to make certain I wasn't an asymptomatic carrier.

The vaccinations really knock me on my ass for a couple of days...but at 73 it's well worth it. Lost quite a few of my anti-vaxxer acquaintances to the covid boneyard over the past few years.
 
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Wife had covid a few weeks ago. We'd both been immunized for covid and flu about two weeks before that. Her symptoms were short-lived, mild, and I never exhibited any...but I tested myself several times to make certain I wasn't an asymptomatic carrier.

The vaccinations really knock me on my ass for a couple of days...but at 73 it's well worth it. Lost quite a few of my antivaxxer acquaintances to the covid boneyard over the past few years.
Same for me, the covid vaccines puts me out for a couple of days, worse than most flu's I've had. I've heard the Novovax (non-RNA) covid vaccine doesn't have the same effect. Anyone out there with experience with the Novovax version?
 
Same for me, the covid vaccines puts me out for a couple of days, worse than most flu's I've had. I've heard the Novovax (non-RNA) covid vaccine doesn't have the same effect. Anyone out there with experience with the Novovax version?
I'd read that a strong reaction from the covid vaccines merely indicates a very high immune system response and therefore greater level of immunity.
 
I'd read that a strong reaction from the covid vaccines merely indicates a very high immune system response and therefore greater level of immunity.
Shoot, I barely react to vaccines at all. I got flu and covid together. I guess they might have slowed me down for a day.

Whoops, looks like today is the "hacking up gunk and snot by the quart day." Just popped a T3. Thank God for codeine.
 
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Is ripping through Oregon, highest rates since the 50's, and WA starting to spool up as well. Pertussis is especially dangerous to young children and infants, as it can quickly turn into pneumonia. Wife and I got our TDAP (tetanus, diphtheria and pertussis) booster vaccine a month ago when wife recognized the incoming spike, which is currently circulating through our gym...might consider reviewing your own vaccine status.
Thanks for posting this SurfNFish. It prompted me to go and get my DTAP booster yesterday. It's been about 15 years since my last one. Up to date on all of my other vaccines though, including shingles.
 
The mix of respiratory illnesses was running through my school hard since coming back from Thanksgiving. LOTS of pneumonia this year too. Not looking forward to finding out what everyone brought back from their assorted winter break activities.
I'm a former smoker (I haven't had a cigarette since May 2004) and I used to get pneumonia nearly every year. Three years ago, I got the pneumovax and haven't had it since. It's supposed to be a lifetime vaccination and I highly recommend it.
 
I'd read that a strong reaction from the covid vaccines merely indicates a very high immune system response and therefore greater level of immunity.
Shoot, I barely react to vaccines at all. I got flu and covid together. I guess they might have slowed me down for a day.
From my reading of the literature, there is scant evidence that severity of reaction indicates a higher level of immunity.

Most folks do have at least some level of reaction; ranges from redness at injection site to fever and flu-like symptoms for a couple of days. This range of reactions indicates activation of the innate immune system, the system designed to eliminate foreign antigens, via activation of white blood cells (Neutrophils and macrophages).

Takes several weeks to achieve the full adaptive immune response through development of memory T and B-cells that will recognize the foreign antigen in the future (weeks, months, years).

The original Pfizer-BioNTech's COVID-19 vaccine trials (21,720 participants received the BNT162b2 vaccine and 21,728 participants received placebo), less than half of the participants reported systemic side effects (ie, symptoms other than injection site pain, swelling, redness), yet 95% protection against COVID-19 was achieved.


There is one study that suggest development of chills, tiredness, feeling unwell, or headache after the second dose are associated with higher neutralizing antibody (nAb) count at 6 months after the second dose. There are problems with this study, including it only measures nAbs, with no measure of cellular immunity (phagocytes, cytotoxic T-cells that target infected cells). There have been other similar studies that did not have the same findings, but the authors explain these away by study design differences (did not look out to 6 months, small sample sizes, etc).

 
From my reading of the literature, there is scant evidence that severity of reaction indicates a higher level of immunity.

Most folks do have at least some level of reaction; ranges from redness at injection site to fever and flu-like symptoms for a couple of days. This range of reactions indicates activation of the innate immune system, the system designed to eliminate foreign antigens, via activation of white blood cells (Neutrophils and macrophages).

Takes several weeks to achieve the full adaptive immune response through development of memory T and B-cells that will recognize the foreign antigen in the future (weeks, months, years).

The original Pfizer-BioNTech's COVID-19 vaccine trials (21,720 participants received the BNT162b2 vaccine and 21,728 participants received placebo), less than half of the participants reported systemic side effects (ie, symptoms other than injection site pain, swelling, redness), yet 95% protection against COVID-19 was achieved.


There is one study that suggest development of chills, tiredness, feeling unwell, or headache after the second dose are associated with higher neutralizing antibody (nAb) count at 6 months after the second dose. There are problems with this study, including it only measures nAbs, with no measure of cellular immunity (phagocytes, cytotoxic T-cells that target infected cells). There have been other similar studies that did not have the same findings, but the authors explain these away by study design differences (did not look out to 6 months, small sample sizes, etc).

2 incredibly reliable journals!

NEJM has an impact factor in the 90s and the other is between 19 and 20. Anything above 10 is regarded as outstanding.
 
Shoot, I barely react to vaccines at all. I got flu and covid together. I guess they might have slowed me down for a day.

Whoops, looks like today is the "hacking up gunk and snot by the quart day." Just popped a T3. Thank God for codeine.
Nice visual!
Try sinus Sudafed. You have to ask for it but don't need a prescription.
 
2 incredibly reliable journals!

NEJM has an impact factor in the 90s and the other is between 19 and 20. Anything above 10 is regarded as outstanding.
I wrote a couple of COVID-19 clinical trial protocols - the original Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna mRNA vaccine trials (which I did not work on) were exceptionally well done, and were under a very powerful microscope, as they were also essentially proof-of-concept trials.

Don't wish to start anything, but vaccines are some of the safest, most efficacious medicines we have. Benefit/risk ratios are extremely favourable, although for vaccines, the ratio takes into account societal benefit, not just individual.

Full disclosure: The company I work for is in partnership with several vaccine producers (J and J/Jansen, AstraZeneca) to conduct clinical trials and bring pharmaceuticals to market.
 
Yup...your name and info go into a smurf database to make sure you're not Breaking Bad.
I got this hot sinus tip from a fighter pilot. They never like to go up with plugged sinuses...but you didn't hear it from me.
The active ingredient used to be sold in pill form in every truck stop in the country. I wonder what they use now?
 
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