NFR F-150 owners ?

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I meant to add that I have a couple friends with newer model F-150s, and they seem pretty satisfied with them. In case you do go the new model route, I'll also add that I never used to buy the extra or long-term warranty add ons the dealer offered because it generally penciled out to be my own insurer for mechanical stuff. I've changed my mind with respect to our '23 and '24 vehicles simply because of all that damned expensive technology that comes with new vehicles. Mechanical parts tend to have a more linear service life that is somewhat predictable, whereas the electronic stuff purrs along just fine until suddenly, and unpredictably, it doesn't. There are so many computer chips in a new vehicle, and it's just a crapshoot as to when they're gonna' go gunnysack.
 
I had a 2021 GMC half ton with the 3L Duramax. Worked great until the flywheel stripped and the transmission oil pump quit working. Fortunately all covered under the original warranty. As soon as I got it back, traded it in for a 2021 Toyota Tundra that I can trust. The GMC was nice, but like others commented, there were many features that I was not using. The Tundra is much simpler.
 
Toyotas are nice, but that IForce engine sure doesn't get the fuel milage the others get. Im not sure why Toyota doesn't get on the bandwagon with a new more fuel efficient engine.....
 
Salmo_g said:
New vehicles are a blessing and a curse. Used to be, buying a new car or truck was like buying a stapler, straight forward and functional. Now we buy a new stapler and it comes with an iPhone 16 and wants to take over and control your life. (Not to mention the sticker shock. All that on board technology comes with a price!) A lot of the enhancement features can be adjusted or even turned off. - But why then pay for something, only to turn it off? I don't mind the lane warning feature, but the lane steering assist is downright spooky and unnerving!

I don't have anything to add about the F-150 as we recently bought a new Tacoma and another new Subaru, so much of my leisure reading time is spent with the owner's manuals. It feels like perpetually studying for the graduate school entrance exam. Whether you get a newer Ford or Chevy, you'll probably like it. Just be advised that any newer vehicle comes with a learning curve that you probably weren't counting on.
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This nails it for me, I'm only 60 but a bit of a luddite sp? as far as tech, any kind of tech, and I am constantly rereading manuals and crap attempting to fully utilize anything new we purchase, drives me batshit crazy at times...
 
SurfnFish said:
additional food for thought - maybe showing a little more respect for fellow forum members just trying to get some info might help you appear less of an ass
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Having driven vehicles with all these features , absolutely nothing wrong with them , they are safer , easy to drive , and like the comment made about staying between the lines ,there isn't a driver out there that hasn't wandered out of there lane or up in someones tailpipe . With those features it just doesn't happen . If you have ever experienced someone coming around you , and cutting in front of you ,and hitting the brakes , I can tell you adaptive cruise is faster than you are at reacting .
 
Brian in OR. said:
Toyotas are nice, but that IForce engine sure doesn't get the fuel milage the others get. Im not sure why Toyota doesn't get on the bandwagon with a new more fuel efficient engine.....
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They have a 6 cylinder turbo in the new Tundras that gets better mileage. I was unsure of the longevity with the turbo, so looked for a used 2021 with the V8. The fuel mileage isn’t great, but I use it for truck things and park it when I don’t need the truck.
 
SKYKO said:
This nails it for me, I'm only 60 but a bit of a luddite sp? as far as tech, any kind of tech, and I am constantly rereading manuals and crap attempting to fully utilize anything new we purchase, drives me batshit crazy at times...
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I recently purchased my first "smart" vehicle. The down side is I have no idea what some of the multiple buttons and prompt sequences do or how to utilize them. The upside is if I push a button on the steering wheel and speak clearly it will map out a route if I ask it "where is the closest Mexican restaurant?" What more does a guy need?
 
albula said:
I recently purchased my first "smart" vehicle. The down side is I have no idea what some of the multiple buttons and prompt sequences do or how to utilize them. The upside is if I push a button on the steering wheel and speak clearly it will map out a route if I ask it "where is the closest Mexican restaurant?" What more does a guy need?
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The 20,000 dollars you spent for the gadgets you aren't using. I totally agree though, there are some really useful things in these newfangled machines.
 
albula said:
I recently purchased my first "smart" vehicle. The down side is I have no idea what some of the multiple buttons and prompt sequences do or how to utilize them. The upside is if I push a button on the steering wheel and speak clearly it will map out a route if I ask it "where is the closest Mexican restaurant?" What more does a guy need?
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I recently bought a used 2019 Forester in the touring trim with all the new eyesight and safety features. I had to watch some YouTube videos to figure out all the buttons!

Unlike some on this thread, I like new safety features, including lane keeper assist.
 
My wife got in a nasty collision on our local two lane highway that totaled her SUV when a car pulled off the shoulder into her as she was going 60. Her car braked before she could react and could have something to do with both her and my daughter walking away without a scratch. I also find some features annoying at times but you can’t deny new vehicles are safer and that’s priceless. That same scenario in a 1992 ford ranger with an AM/FM radio, roll up windows and a single “airbag”…. Good luck. When it comes to my loved ones I’m good with all the fancy airbags, sensors and microchips that make it possible for the car to brake faster then the mind and body can comprehend danger and protect you when your vehicle completely crumples.
 
My God, how have we come so far, for so many years without all these gizmos? Are we all so incompetent that we can’t drive on our own anymore? I just spent a whole lot of money on a 2008 truck that I will never get rid of because it is so simple. If you can’t drive without the truck telling you what to do I suggest you don’t drive anymore. MNSHO…
 
Roper said:
My God, how have we come so far, for so many years without all these gizmos? Are we all so incompetent that we can’t drive on our own anymore? I just spent a whole lot of money on a 2008 truck that I will never get rid of because it is so simple. If you can’t drive without the truck telling you what to do I suggest you don’t drive anymore. MNSHO…
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I did fine without the gizmos, this is the first time I've even had a backup camera. But I don't mind them and even like them.

If you stay in your lane and use your brakes well, the electronics stay silent and don't do anything. But if the guy in front of you hits the brakes and his brake lights are out, or you have a moment of inattention, the car will step in and brake.

Just yesterday, I was backing out of a spot on a busy grocery store parking lot and some jerk came fast down the lane behind me. The Forester beeped like crazy at me; I'm not sure if I hit the brakes or my car did.

The one thing I'm not sold on is the auto engine off at stop lights, and I wish I could persistently turn that feature off instead of having to turn it off every time I get in the car.
 
Brian in OR. said:
Toyotas are nice, but that IForce engine sure doesn't get the fuel milage the others get. Im not sure why Toyota doesn't get on the bandwagon with a new more fuel efficient engine.....
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I'll take durability over mpg any day....

But maybe that's just a bias from decades of dealing with the shitty American vehicles of the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's.
 
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there was a time when seat belts and airbags were considered gizmo's, so it took national laws to mandate their use, saving million of lives since those mandates.
Folks get older and their reaction times slow up, anyone who thinks they are the exception is smoking from their own tailpipe, and anything that helps avoid a collision is of huge value.

" Vehicles with front automatic braking and forward collision alert systems are involved in 43% fewer rear-end crashes, 64% fewer rear-end crashes with injuries, and 68% fewer rear-end crashes with third-party injuries."

Analytical Study Estimates 43 to 68 Percent Fewer Rear-End Crashes for Vehicles with Automatic Emergency Braking and Forward Collision Warning Systems. | ITS Deployment Evaluation

www.itskrs.its.dot.gov www.itskrs.its.dot.gov
 
Are insurance rates a lot cheaper for vehicles with all those gizmos since there far less accidents? Or are they higher because they are far more expensive to repair when they are involved in an accident?
 
Ours haven't gone down... My wife overuses the cruise in her Outback, and the thing eats brakes, for all kinds of moves where just getting off the accelerator would suffice. In a decade or so this stuff might be good enough that I will use it, not yet there, IMO.
 
SurfnFish said:
there was a time when seat belts and airbags were considered gizmo's, so it took national laws to mandate their use, saving million of lives since those mandates.
Folks get older and their reaction times slow up, anyone who thinks they are the exception is smoking from their own tailpipe, and anything that helps avoid a collision is of huge value.

" Vehicles with front automatic braking and forward collision alert systems are involved in 43% fewer rear-end crashes, 64% fewer rear-end crashes with injuries, and 68% fewer rear-end crashes with third-party injuries."

Analytical Study Estimates 43 to 68 Percent Fewer Rear-End Crashes for Vehicles with Automatic Emergency Braking and Forward Collision Warning Systems. | ITS Deployment Evaluation

www.itskrs.its.dot.gov www.itskrs.its.dot.gov
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Older folks aren’t the only ones that aren’t driving well. I see an awful lot of very young people driving along, distracted, looking at their phones, looking at their TV screen on their dashboard and anything other than paying attention to driving.. so let’s not think this is a do all, save all for old farts.
 
up2nogood said:
Having driven vehicles with all these features , absolutely nothing wrong with them , they are safer , easy to drive , and like the comment made about staying between the lines ,there isn't a driver out there that hasn't wandered out of there lane or up in someones tailpipe . With those features it just doesn't happen . If you have ever experienced someone coming around you , and cutting in front of you ,and hitting the brakes , I can tell you adaptive cruise is faster than you are at reacting .
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The problem is when people become over reliant and complacent with automation. Then WHEN automation fails, and it does, the results can be very sporty. We call them autopilot cripples in my line of work. They’re tools, not crutches, and I think that many people fail to grasp these concepts.
 
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